Terrible fold?

[45suited]

I usually play NL SNGs, some NL ring, fairly inexperienced at Limit ring games, so I'm checking my play on this hand.

2-4 Limit at the local casino. Button had been fairly passive up to this point.

UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls

I'm in BB with 9hTs. Didn't fear a re-raise from one of the early limpers (very passive table), so I called, as does everyone else.

Flop (10SB) 8s-Th-Jc

SB checks, Hero (BB) checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero folds

This fold felt super weak to me, but I felt almost certain that Queens were not an out for me. So, I felt like I had 6 outs and was getting 13:2 on my call. Is this a terrible fold? I thought about it after the hand and I was thinking, "why even call pre-flop if you're not going to call on this board?"

Comments appreciated.

[Vote4Pedro]

ya, pretty weak...lead the flop so you can trap everyone for two when button raises

[TripleH68]

When you say you "felt almost certain that queens are not an out" are you saying you put the button on exactly AK?

I can see discounting a little for this possiblity, but what about AQ, AJ, AA, KK, etc.

Were you planning on check/calling one bet? I bet the flop.

[45suited]

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Were you planning on check/calling one bet?

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Definitely. I knew I misplayed the hand, but just wanted to make sure.

[Pokey]

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This fold felt super weak to me, but I felt almost certain that Queens were not an out for me.

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Let's look at this once more:

You've got second pair and an OESD on a rainbow board. If you're convinced Button has AK, then you're ahead of him. Your check should not be with the intent to call -- it should be with the intent to raise! That way, you face the field with two bets and push out stragglers when you're ahead.

CO's bet throws a wrench in the works, of course, and Button's raise hurts, too, but there's no way you can be sure of EXACTLY AK at this point. AA, KK, QQ, JJ, and TT play this hand exactly the same way. Depending on the button, you could also see someone play this way with AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJs, KTs, QJs, QTs, JTs, or 88. In any of these situations, you've got at least 8 outs, and some have even more.

One of the differences between NL and limit is that you need to "gamble" more in limit. Since you can't be put all-in at any moment, you often have to bleed a bit while drawing at a pot. You're already getting 7.5:1 immediate odds on a call here, and the chances of hitting are about 6:1 against. With implied odds, you're probably right to call even if you think it could be reraised or even capped.

This is a good hand to gamble with.