Why do I always feel the need to slowplay....

[sirdeej2]

2nd hand....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1630)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1440)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t100, UTG calls t100, MP3 folds.

Flop: (t390) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t120</font>, Hero calls t120, BB calls t60.

Turn: (t750) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, BB calls t600, UTG calls t480.

River: (t2550) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t640 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls t640 (All-In), Hero calls t640.

Final Pot: t4470

[curtains]

Get over it quickly. Slowplaying is very overrated and usually the wrong answer. Try NEVER slowplaying and see how that works (I suspect it will give you better results if you slowplay too often)....I honestly slowplay very rarely.

[jccookjr]

Whenever I slow play I get bit on the butt. Slow play that flop and a guy has J10 you could be out-drawn. Usually they won't believe you. Bet.

[jccookjr]

Oh yeah, the only time you should slow play would be a flopped monster. Check it and hope someone helps their hand.

[bluewilde]

Yeah, think the flop is too coordinated to slowplay. Granted...the wrong suit comes ultimately. Still, a diamond, or any J, T or A and you don't know where your trips stand.

[The Venetian]

Once there's already been a bet and a raise, you can pretty much toss the slowplay out the window. You've got your action. Go get the pot.

[curtains]

Just don't slowplay anymore unless the situation is PERFECT. Flopping a set does not give you licsence to slowplay. I believe that lower limit players lose a lot by slowplaying too often without any logic behind their play.

Really it's a disease, so many people I've coached just slowplay blindly everytime they have something good. I basically tell them never to slowplay again no matter what, and that when they get more advanced then they can learn when to slowplay.

Your opponents are stupid and they call with many hands they shouldnt. This should make it obvious why slowplaying is generally such a poor idea.

[sirdeej2]

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Your opponents are stupid and they call with many hands they shouldnt. This should make it obvious why slowplaying is generally such a poor idea.

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That's what I needed to hear.... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Nottom]

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Yeah, think the flop is too coordinated to slowplay.

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More importantly, there is already a bet and a raise. You should have no fear of getting action.

[EricW]

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Just don't slowplay anymore unless the situation is PERFECT. Flopping a set does not give you licsence to slowplay. I believe that lower limit players lose a lot by slowplaying too often without any logic behind their play.

Really it's a disease, so many people I've coached just slowplay blindly everytime they have something good. I basically tell them never to slowplay again no matter what, and that when they get more advanced then they can learn when to slowplay.

Your opponents are stupid and they call with many hands they shouldnt. This should make it obvious why slowplaying is generally such a poor idea.

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Excellent! I realise now that slow playing is a huge leak in my game.

[Bigwig]

Slowplaying this draw heavy board against two players in the early stages of a tournament is suicidal.

Lemme guess--A /images/graemlins/spade.gifQ /images/graemlins/spade.gif?

[sirdeej2]

of course.....

Is there any way I could have gotten away from this at the river, or did I already dig my own grave by that point?

[Bigwig]

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of course.....

Is there any way I could have gotten away from this at the river, or did I already dig my own grave by that point?

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I don't see how you can fold on the river. There's no way I'm putting anyone on a spade flush. The cards I worry about after the flop and flop action are diamonds, 9's, T's, and A's. Not baby running spades.

[hyde]

because slow play feels sooooooooo good when it works.

My refrain is:
I love to slow play
I just hate the results

I'm getting better, I never let two suited cards on the flop have a cheap draw, and a couple of high cards on the flop end the slow stuff.

Now short handed and HU......is another story.

[Bluff Daddy]

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Yeah, think the flop is too coordinated to slowplay.

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More importantly, there is already a bet and a raise. You should have no fear of getting action.

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exactly, there is a time and a place to slowplay but good god against four opponents on a suited and connected flop gimme a break

[hobbes9324]

Slowplaying will not make your teeth whiter, your vision sharper, or your di*k longer - and it VERY seldom makes your bankroll bigger.

Most overrated move in poker, I think.....(but yeah, it feels sooooooooooo good when it works...)

That is the type of situation i definitly wouldn't slow play or give free cards. There are several flush possibilities out there and also a straight possibility as well. Trips queens is a hand very, very hard to throw away, which basically means your committing yourself. Calling an all in with trips, against a flsuh possiblity is a hard call to make, especially when it may involve your entire stack.

Anyone still in the pot after a raise on preflop is likly to either have kings or on the flush draw. The only way you know if someone has made a flush, or is on a flush draw is by betting. You need to figure out people by betting. A bet to find out where you are will save you many more bets on the turn or on the river. If someone is going to make a flush, make them pay for it. Slow playing trips queens in this situation will provide you with more problems.

I would only slow play trips queens, if there is no flush possibilities out there, and also no high straight possibilities....provided a raise was made preflop to decrease the possibility of a small straight.

You learn from experience, you really should only slow play when you have a massive advantage. If you are going to slow play, be pre pared to get away from the hand and fold if you suspect you are beaten.