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Digs

07-15-2005, 01:14 PM

UTG is a little looser than your typical TAG, but has similar tendancies. Except for open limping the button, wtf.
Obviously was going to pop the turn till he woke up.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, Hero folds.

Le Hand 2

Villian is typical 50/2/1.5ish. I've played one hand with him where I folded to a turn raise from him when I had AKo and the board was rags.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.66 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.66 BB

Hand 3
Same villian as 2. Unfortunately, for this hand it's important to know the results of last hand. I'll post them at the end of the HH

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
Hand 2 villian showed KJ. He seems to think his hand is better than it is.

Thanks for your time and help guys, I really appreciate it.

- Digs

sy_or_bust

07-15-2005, 01:25 PM

Hand 1 you really should raise the flop.

Hand 3 is different after your read from Hand 2. It looks like Villain is loose, but comes alive when he hits a hand. I think he would've raised you with any good pair on the flop/turn, so minus a slowplay you are up against JT or a flush. I wouldn't be confident enough to not 3-bet. In any case, the turn bet is really iffy (probably bad) against a loose player.

Digs

07-15-2005, 01:31 PM

Yea, you harped on all the problems I had with these, thanks man.

Hand 3 I was giving decent weight to him playing 2p this way as well, he just seemed to be that loose, I dunno.

JrJordan

07-15-2005, 01:38 PM

Hand 1: Well played. An argument could be made for just limping along preflop but I won't argue with a raise. Whe the TAGish player wakes up on the turn, I think you're sunk on this board. Nice fold.

Hand 2: Why smooth call the flop raise? I 3-bet it to charge BB 2-SB more if he's on a draw here. The way you played it, I like the turn bet/3-bet line. If he's fairly agro, he's raising any K. Likewise you can be pretty sure at this point he doesn't have a set because of his flop fast play.

When he caps the turn and bets out the river, you have to be worried about a hand like K7 or K9, just call here because a 3-bet will make you vomit. Minus the flop discrepency, I like.

Hand 3: I don't like the turn bet. Your folding equity isn't good enough here, plus his past aggression makes a c/r something to worry about. I'd take the free card and go 4 bets on the river when I hit, and then throw my keyboard out the windown when I lose to runner-runner flush.

JrJordan

07-15-2005, 01:40 PM

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Hand 1 you really should raise the flop.

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I don't think a smooth call here is bad. It's a very draw happy board where hero may not even have a high equity edge. regardless of two pair. I like waiting for a safe card to raise when our equity is much higher. Likewise if a 4-straight hits, we get out cheap unless we have odds to hit the 4 outer.

Digs

07-15-2005, 01:46 PM

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Hand 2: Why smooth call the flop raise?

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My thought procces was, smooth calling can keep in our 3rd player, which would make us breaking even on the flop bets, without taking initiave so we can c/r the turn. OTOH I suppose there's a certian probability that we can keep 3 players through the turn if I 3bet the flop and lead the turn, which of course would yield greater value.

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Hand 3: I don't like the turn bet.

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This seems obvious now, thanks a ton guys, I'm really retarded but I'm getting better! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

JrJordan

07-15-2005, 01:59 PM

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My thought procces was, smooth calling can keep in our 3rd player, which would make us breaking even on the flop bets, without taking initiave so we can c/r the turn. OTOH I suppose there's a certian probability that we can keep 3 players through the turn if I 3bet the flop and lead the turn, which of course would yield greater value.

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The problem with this is BB is not making much of a mistake to call the flop getting 11:1 with whatever two card he has. However, if you raise he is now only getting 6:1, making it a mistake to call with gutshots. Likewise the main villain could cap it if he's super aggro, giving you an even greater value.

baronzeus

07-15-2005, 02:06 PM

Raise the flop on hand one.

3bet the flop in hand 2 and call down if capped.

Hand 3 is well played, but you can check behind on the turn here and hope for improvement.

EDIT: ok it looks like this has been suggested already but as long as you have an idea its fine.
GL

CanKid

07-15-2005, 02:07 PM

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Turn: (4.66 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, Hero folds.

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Tough spot, with the club along with BB's weak line into the PFR, I still think 2 pair is best, I 3-bet or call and raise the safe river.

bds

07-15-2005, 03:33 PM

Hand 1 I agree with raise the flop. I play 10/20 and the games may be very different, but, I'm not able to fold this to the turn raise. Often enough, the turn raise is a slowplayed overpair, an AJ or KJ, or some similar hand with perhaps a backdoor flush draw posibility. Am I spewing in these situations?

ggbman

07-15-2005, 03:39 PM

Hand 1: Not raising the flop is horrible

Hand 2: GH

Hand 3: Fine, consider checking the turn.

aslowjoe

07-15-2005, 03:40 PM

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, T.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) J, 9, T (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, Hero folds.

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What are you folding to. He is a TAG so he doesnt not have a PP 99 and up he doesn't have KQ. Maybe 87s or picked up a flush draw. I think your still ahead and if your not you have outs. And raise the flop.

Hand 2 with the flush and str8 draws I am raising the flop.

Hand 3 You would think most of the time for a player to call this flop he has to have a A or at least a q with a gutshot. This is a good place to check with outs. I would not have 3bet the river.