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KKbluff
07-15-2005, 03:51 AM
This question is open to all single tablers, multitablers, and everyone in-between.

Personally I have never really used these (except for auto fold in weak position or if I was really busy multitabling).

How do you maximize your EV with these auto buttons?

(sorry if this has been asked sometime previously)

pzane
07-15-2005, 04:13 AM
I think the auto buttons can be used to bluff if used judiciously...at least I've had success with this technique.

-Phil

gasoltub
07-15-2005, 04:14 AM
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This question is open to all single tablers, multitablers, and everyone in-between.

Personally I have never really used these (except for auto fold in weak position or if I was really busy multitabling).

How do you maximize your EV with these auto buttons?

(sorry if this has been asked sometime previously)

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The only ones I use is the autofold preflop when I have a hand that I know I won't play no matter what happens, and the auto check/fold when I'm in the big blind with a hand too weak to defend with.

mattw
07-15-2005, 04:30 AM
i use them whenever i can, i.e. when my action is predetermined and not dependent on what others do before me. this is a big help when playing 4 or more tables. one draw back, a possible tell is with the auto raise. you can usually tell when someone had that checked and that means he likes his hand. when 6+ tabling, i am usually 1 or 2 tables behind in my actions so several of the tables are not getting the auto features used. this randomness may compencate for any tells.

parappa
07-15-2005, 06:30 AM
I only use autofold when there's a bet in front of me or it's preflop. Everything else (including checking in the big blind) I do manually.

SamIAm
07-15-2005, 07:17 AM
When I have K7o in the bigblind, or some other {FaceCard,LowCard} hand, I want to make sure I do a quick check in the BB. I want to make it more obvious that I had "check/fold in turn" clicked, because if the flop is K-high, I want to make check-raising more feasible.
-Sam

spamuell
07-15-2005, 07:50 AM
I use them a fair amount. Say I have KJo on the button and there are three players left to act pre-flop with no limpers before them, I'll click "raise $(amount, depending on limit)". This way, it will raise instantly after any limpers but if anyone raises, I am prompted for action and can make a decision.

I think this works well because people might just assume that I have autobet/raise any on.

MrTrik
07-15-2005, 09:09 AM
I only use auto-fold when I know right up front I'm not playing the hand no matter what. Of course I won't use it in the BB. All other actions I count 1-apple-2apple-3-apple and then hit check, call, or raise. Call it tell-phobia. I haven't experimented with using auto in a bluff or semi-bluff situation.

TimsterToo
07-15-2005, 09:48 AM
I like to autocheck the "raise any" button when I'm HU and the other is to my right. Especially when I have a good holding but could be beat but think the villain is doubting his card.

I'm hoping he folds of course. It works quite well but only with players who you can tell are doubting when they think long before betting. (so I have 3, no 4 outs there's X in the pot so I divide....) Of course they are the same ones that bet instantly if they have a winner.

KnickNut3
07-15-2005, 10:00 AM
I use autofold frequently PF and if I have a weak hand in the BB (or if I had a low pair didn't hit my set and there's already a bet and calls in a pot too small to draw to 2 outs).

Sometimes if I'm busy I'll raise auto PF. The -EV of the tell is worth it for the +EV of speed/tables, plus I will sometimes click raise very very quickly if I'm trying to steal blinds later so it looks like I have a good hand I would have raised with regardless.

I also use it as a bluff, e.g. if I tried to steal blinds and was called, as soon as it's checked to me I autobet so I represent a stronger hand.

CountDuckula
07-15-2005, 11:02 AM
I frequently use auto-fold PF, but will try to minimize that if I want to disguise the hands that I spend a few seconds actually thinking about. Never check-fold, because I think an insta-check represents extreme weakness and encourages my opponents to play back at me; if I want to encourage that, I'll use auto-check to make them think I used check-fold. I sometimes use auto-bet/raise to represent either a bluff or a monster (depending on what I think my table image is at the time, or how I think the other players are interpreting that sort of thing from everyone else).

The guiding principle I try to follow is to be conscious of what sort of message I think the auto-button will send. If it's a message I want to send, I'll use it; if not, I won't.

-Mike

BruinEric
07-15-2005, 11:33 AM
I use them almost all the time. I play between 1 and 3 tables.

Maybe some opponents think they have a read on me, especially when I'm in late position and I do a "speed bet" (i.e. one that could only have been done by clicking an advance action button). But if I plan on betting first-in on any card, I'll click the (bet .5) as early as possible no matter whether I have the nuts or a value-bet to my drawing hand or something else.

Almost all my pre-flop actions are with the advance action buttons as well.

I think sometimes players think I'm bluffing when it's heads-up and I do an "insta-raise." I know that there are some players who hold the nuts and play WPT and ponder a long decision. Some guy pulled that on me with top set the other day. IMHO, It is a rare case indeed where the time an opponent takes to bet is a reliable tell. When in doubt, go for the Caro angle that acting weak means strong and acting strong means weak.

CORed
07-15-2005, 11:46 AM
I rarely use any of the buttons but the fold and check-fold buttons, preflop or on the flop when I have a weak enough hand that I know that I'm not putting any more money into the pot. Once in a while I will use the "raise any" preflop with AA or KK. In most other situations, using these buttons is basicly throwing away your positional advantage. Most of the time you want to see what the players acting before you do before you make a decision. The "call any" button should be shaped like a fish.

Cerril
07-15-2005, 11:57 AM
5/10 6-max

I use the autoraise one bet when I'm in a situation where the raise is automatic with a huge range of hands (the SB with a good hand, folded to the button who is taking his sweet time), I use check/fold or fold all the time preflop. Occasionally, I use the fold to any but only if I'd need to improve twice to even take a shot, and even then I pay attention to the action.

I almost never use raise any or call any, since a bad string of events could give away my hand (mostly multiple raises in front of me)

Every once in awhile if I'm in a win/win situation I'll use most of the buttons for an image purpose. (i.e. if they're paying attention it might cause them to misread my hand and if they aren't it saves me time)

JerseyTom
07-15-2005, 01:03 PM
I typically only use auto-fold on easy decisions pre-flop, or if there's a bet in front of me post-flop and I fully intend to fold. I never use it for betting/raising.


Tom

Alobar
07-15-2005, 01:17 PM
I dont like using the auto bet or auto raise buttons, as I think it can give away info about your hand. I use the auto fold ALL the time. Anyone who checks the auto call isn't very smart, and I REALLY wish party would add a check/fold in the same turn button. The fold to any bet button kinda sucks cuz if it gets checked around the next card might change things.

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Alex/Mugaaz
10-24-2005, 02:16 AM
I use check/fold if im not last to act and my hand totally sucks.

I use auto check infrequently depending on the action on other tables.

I sometimes auto check/fold when last to act if I think the extra 1 hand an hour results in a bigger gain than not showing total weakness.

I never use auto bet/raise unless as a ploy, which is pretty infrequent.

dibbs
10-24-2005, 02:25 AM
I'm primarily a NL/PL player and 7 table.

I used to wait and think a second or two before manually check/folding instead of using the checkfold button because I didnt want the other players to start using it, Id rather have them think and give them more time to make poor calls. I was probably overthinking it though, since I bumped up more tables I ditched that effort.

I click check and checkfold all the time in clear cut situations where I know someone is going to bet and I dont have nearly enough information to pull anything.
Once in a while in position I have check/fold checked and unselect it at the last second (or miss it) because I realize an opportunity has arisen, where a few seconds earlier I hated my hand and had no interest, it's rare though.

In certain limit games I click bet/raise any because Im usually hyper aggro and it doesnt give away too much information about my hand.

Autocall doesnt get used much for me.

Arnfinn Madsen
10-24-2005, 02:25 AM
In limit, when I am planning to bet in middle/last position if it is checked to me, and I know I don't have the best hand (raised with crap etc.), I have found it smart to tick the bet-button. People respect that more than if I wait 2-3 seconds to bet. If somebody bets before me, it gets turned off, so that I can fold instead.

StellarWind
10-24-2005, 02:42 AM
I use autofold any time there is a bet I don't want to call. This applies to preflop and postflop.

I use fold-to-any-bet after I check the river if I can't call anything.

Once someone limps I will use autocheck or autocheckfold from the BB. Once people see the limper a subsequent insta-check by me doesn't carry any extra meaning. Before anyone puts money in using autocheck in the BB is a tell. If the table sees a limp followed instantly by fold-fold-...-fold-check the inference is that my hand is so pathetic I would not even raise if the SB open-completed.

Postflop if an early player is deliberating at length, I will use check or checkfold. This doesn't provide any useful information because I obviously had plenty of time to think about what I would do if it checked to me.

I find that autoraise postflop is a reverse tell that means "I wish you would fold". Almost no one has the nerve to use it when they really want to be paid. Usual disclaimer about zillion-tablers applies.