middle set in reraised family pot

[poboy]

Only have about 20 hands on villian but he seems to be typical loose passive.

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CO ($38.70)
Button ($72.45)
Hero ($54.25)
BB ($51.05)
UTG ($16.95)
UTG+1 ($10.85)
MP1 ($24.65)
MP2 ($23.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.75</font>, CO calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.65, BB calls $1.50, UTG+1 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($8.75) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ????

[xorbie]

Push.

[ajmargarine]

Hero pushes all in. If he has 99, oh well. If he doesn't, you are most likely to get all his chips in the pot now, than if you wait until a later street.

[Malachii]

Push, he has 1/2 of his stack in here, he ain't folding here.

[poboy]

Nobody thinks he might have top set? What do you put him on?

[Malachii]

Bottom set, 89, JT, A9, T9 (don't assume Villain won't overplay top pair here)... there's a lot you're beating here. As they said in SS, you can't be afraid of running into the nuts all time. Middle set is just impossible to get away from, IMO.

[kongo_totte]

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Nobody thinks he might have top set? What do you put him on?

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He might just aswell have bottom set. Maybe 2-pair, maybe misplayed over pair. Put him in and laugh all the way to the bank. If he has 9 9, that's poker.

[kongo_totte]

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Middle set is just impossible to get away from, IMO.

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In this situation, yes.

[nietzreznor]

I push. Minraises could be midpairs, and you will see 99 here sometimes, but you will see 44/AA-QQ here a lot as well. I think you are ahead here the vast majority of the time.

[Thomas Arnold]

there is absolutely no way you can fold here. do you really think he'd bet out with the nuts 25BB? he's got nothing to be afraid of except a very very very low possibility of a straigh t draw. if iw as that guy id slowplay this hand hard with 99. you have the best hand 99.99% of hte time.

[theben]

very easy push

[ajmargarine]

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do you really think he'd bet out with the nuts 25BB? he's got nothing to be afraid of except a very very very low possibility of a straigh t draw.

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First of all, 25BB means nothing once the hand gets going...it's not the size of the bet in relation to the BB, it's the size of the bet in relation to the pot that matters in NL. Villian bet a little over 1/2 pot.

Secondly, the possibility of a straight draw is very real, 4-way in a limped pot. If you slowplay, and it checks around and now a 5,6,7,10,J,or Q come, you're just asking for trouble. If I had 99, I would probably be betting similar to villian here. Probably 2/3 pot.

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If I had 99, I would probably be betting similar to villian here. Probably 2/3 pot.


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forgive me for asking, but i'm on a learning curve here /images/graemlins/smile.gif
why do you bet 2/3 ? because i have some trouble for starting up a bet. I mean i do know pot odds and such, but when im betting or raising i never really know how much to bet... are there some rules of thumb ?

thanks, sorry for being off topic

[bkholdem]

Never consider folding here. I always push. It's a no brainer.

A very small percentage of the time you will lose to top set. Another small percentage of the time you will loose to an overpair that hit's their set on the turn or river. The vast majority of the time you win.

Are you trying to say that villian will only play this way with top set and your almost 100% sure of that?

You push because he's basically pot committing himself. He thinks he has the best hand and this is ideal for you. He has AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10 way more often than he has top set.

[soah]

Given your decisions up until this point, I frequently just call the flop bet. It's extremely unlikely that your opponent is drawing, and a checkraise has the potential to scare away hands which may be willing to invest heavily in the pot if you take a softer line. Something like check/call flop, lead turn, lead river can still get all your chips in the pot and the turn bet is generally not interpreted as great strength. You could also check the turn and lead the river -- he most likely has a good enough hand to bet again for you. But against passive players you may not want to take that chance.

[torsken]

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I push. Minraises could be midpairs, and you will see 99 here sometimes, but you will see 44/AA-QQ here a lot as well. I think you are ahead here the vast majority of the time.

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I doubt you'll see AA here. Could you imagine even the most ridiculously loose passive opponent miss the opportunity to punish a raise, a reraise, and two calls(!) with a preflop all in?

[fuzzbox]

Get it all in. If he has 99 then tough for you. I think you see 98, 44 and some overpairs here enough to make it good.

[poboy]

I of course pushed and villian insta-called /images/graemlins/ooo.gif. Turn and river are blanks, villian has JJ and MHIG. I have to say I expected to see at least two-pair here, I can't believe he put 200BB in the pot with just an overpair(and a weak one at that).

[theben]

isnt that nice? the 'donk' range of hands is TT-AA, as well as sets, TJ, and any 2paired hand.

the reasonble player RoH is set or 98, and you clearly must play even against a tight solid player

[ryanghall]

I'd fold preflop. The reason is that UTG is raising, well, UTG so he's showing a strong hand. He may repop it in which case you don't get to see your flop you've paid a large price to see.

On the flop, I'd call the 3-bet and check-raise him all-in on the turn, no matter what fell. If the turn card was particularly scary (7, T-Q) I might just push there.

I hope you weren't thinking of folding.

Ryan

[Eegs]

wipe your ass with a dollar bill..throw it at the computer screen...and go alllll innnnnnnn

[Godfather80]

I think folding preflop would be out of line. Yes, you are out of position, but if you miss the flop, you are gone 95% of the time any way. Therefore, you don't really mind being OOP. Plus, you are in a multiway raised pot which is textbook for getting your sets paid off. Easy preflop call.