Is this collusion? (Party $11)

[wulfheir]

I'm at work and don't have the HH on me.

$11 eurobet
5 or 6 handed. I'm short stack.

I go all-in UTG, UTG+1 asks what everyone has, 3 players in total type their hole cards. UTG+1 calls, everyone else folds.

I emailed support and they replied saying that UTG+1 had every intention of calling my all-in before the conversation (how does CS know this?). Also, he told the table he had TT, but really showed 77. Support told me that they weren't even giving their real hole cards so there can't refund my fee, but will ask the other players to wait until the hand is over to discuss it.

Would you pursue this further or let it be?

edit: spelled 'persue'

[Phill S]

Id pursue it. If possible id get their addresses and hit them in the face with a fireaxe as hard as i could, but that may be a bit extreme in a 10+1.

Id murder them and their families if it happened in a more expensive game however, like a 30+3.

Phill

[downtown]

I think if you really push it you could probably get UTG+1's chat removed, but you're not gonna get your buyin back. If someone wrote "don't do it, I am gonna call" it would be worse. I don't know. I would hate it but let it go. I've had worse done to me for more $$$ on NL tables and got nothin'.

[downtown]

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Id pursue it. If possible id get their addresses...

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I would *definitely* get their adresses.

[Mr_J]

"and they replied saying that UTG+1 had every intention of calling my all-in before the conversation"

Ask them how they know this. Obviously he didn't have every intention of going in since he wanted to know what people behind him had. He may not have called fearing someone behind him had a better hand.

"Would you persue this further or let it be?"

Write a few emails having a go at the CS but not being nasty. You won't get anything out of it, but I'd do it in spite.

[KingMedicine]

even if they were all lying about their hole cards, there is no doubt the intent to collude with the table's other players was formed by not only UTG+1, but everyone else who responded to him as well.

personally, even tho this is only 11 bucks, i wouldnt drop this with eurobet cs until i get some sort of satisfying explanation (which saying that UTG+1 was going to call no matter what isnt) or i get my 11 bucks back.


this is not viet nam -- there are rules.

[morgan180]

that's bullsh**...why are people idiots?

[tminus]

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If someone wrote "don't do it, I am gonna call"

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This happened to me, i reported it to the Potty Investigation Team and they said it wasnt collusion. By the book, this is "implicit collusion" and would only be real collusion if there was verbal agreement by the other player. This would never fly in a casino though, pull this at a home game and you'd get a new hole ripped (or your pouch torn)

[lem45216]

Hmm, as im unfamiliar with the finer rules of the game is it actually against the rules to do that? Though im sure if you tried that in a major B&M tournament aka the WSOP they'd come down pretty heavy on you.

If you really wanted your $11 back maybe you could take it up with the respective gaming commision and be responsible for the entire downfall of Party and their collapse on the stock exchange etc

[Phill S]

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be responsible for the entire downfall of Party and their collapse on the stock exchange etc

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Oh man that would be so funny. And just cos some cock jockey decided to collude in one of the games.

Unfortunately it was at another skin. But try and bankrupt them anyway, please.

Ill pitch in a bit with legal costs, im sure others will too. Lets send a message to those sites.

Phill

[wulfheir]

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Hmm, as im unfamiliar with the finer rules of the game is it actually against the rules to do that? Though im sure if you tried that in a major B&M tournament aka the WSOP they'd come down pretty heavy on you.

If you really wanted your $11 back maybe you could take it up with the respective gaming commision and be responsible for the entire downfall of Party and their collapse on the stock exchange etc

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Spamming the chatbox with "check it down, check it down" when there is a 3 way hand with 1 all-in is equally retarded.

I didn't ask for $11, I asked for a resolution, which may or may not include a refund. $11 won't bust me, and you must be friggin retarded to believe it'll bust party/affiliates.

[gildwulf]

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I'm at work and don't have the HH on me.

$11 eurobet
5 or 6 handed. I'm short stack.

I go all-in UTG, UTG+1 asks what everyone has, 3 players in total type their hole cards. UTG+1 calls, everyone else folds.

I emailed support and they replied saying that UTG+1 had every intention of calling my all-in before the conversation (how does CS know this?). Also, he told the table he had TT, but really showed 77. Support told me that they weren't even giving their real hole cards so there can't refund my fee, but will ask the other players to wait until the hand is over to discuss it.

Would you pursue this further or let it be?

edit: spelled 'persue'

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It depends how much work and effort you want to put into trying to get 10 dollars back/closure.

[playtitleist]

It's definitely the principle of the issue. I'd be ticked, and in fact I am ticked even though it didn't happen to me.

BS answer they gave too. How do they know the guy's intentions? That is a CS guy just looking to move on to his next issue.

I'd tell them: Look, there are plenty of sites out there, I wish to play at one with integrity. Take some meaningful action or I will withdraw and take my money elsewhere.

Their response will undoubtedly be "we are very sorry you feel that way, we hope you reconsider" or some [censored].

Then respond, "I am very sorry to leave to, but you can kiss my ass as I walk out the door." Then do it.

[unreal_nh]

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I'm at work and don't have the HH on me.

$11 eurobet
5 or 6 handed. I'm short stack.

I go all-in UTG, UTG+1 asks what everyone has, 3 players in total type their hole cards. UTG+1 calls, everyone else folds.

I emailed support and they replied saying that UTG+1 had every intention of calling my all-in before the conversation (how does CS know this?). Also, he told the table he had TT, but really showed 77. Support told me that they weren't even giving their real hole cards so there can't refund my fee, but will ask the other players to wait until the hand is over to discuss it.

Would you pursue this further or let it be?

edit: spelled 'persue'

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what they said in response to your complaint is wayyyy out there. of course they have no idea what the guy was thinking at the time he asked the rest of the table what they had (what his intentions were), thats just ridiculous. and whether or not the rest of the players were lying about what hole cards they had is completely irrelevant. the only major problem with this whole situation isnt the douche bag that asked the rest of the table what they had, but how eurobet handled the situation -- sounds like they're a bunch of 6 year olds. dont know what else to tell ya, but good luck.

[wulfheir]

Thanks for your support, glad I wasn't just being sensitive.

I fired this off to them:

<font color="red"> Thanks for getting back to me. However, your decision of non-action is not acceptable. What evidence do you have that the caller had every intention of calling me prior to the hand exchange? They cheated and chose who was going to stand up against me. If this happened in a casino, the players would have been thrown out, and I would have followed them outside to the sidewalk to 'discuss' it further.

The fact that he represented TT, but showed 77 is irrelevant, as his decision to call was based on the other players holdings.

Look at my history, I recently moved my bankroll to eurobet. I didn't pay $129 in rake over the last 2 weeks to have players collude against me. </font>

They replied:

<font color="blue"> Dear Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for your message.

Our poker Department have confirmed that, despite the players involved behaved wrongly discussing the cards they pretended to have, this did not affect the course of the hand.

We assure that our Investigation Team will take action accordingly to garantee a fair play among the players in our tables.

Kind Regards,
Valentina
Eurobet Customer Services
</font>

Conclusion: CS admitted the players behaved wrongly, but offered no recourse. It sucks, but it's not worth it for me to move my bankroll. My energy is better spent plugging holes and grinding SnGs.

Game on!

[Phill S]

Any of the big volume players here use eurobet?

Care to help out the 2+2er and throw some weight around?

Phill

[unreal_nh]

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Our poker Department have confirmed that, despite the players involved behaved wrongly discussing the cards they pretended to have, this did not affect the course of the hand.

We assure that our Investigation Team will take action accordingly to garantee a fair play among the players in our tables.


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unbefriekenfathomable, nh

[valenzuela]

isnt life tough? Stop being such a whiner, if u cant beat em join them. I basically collude( tell players to not call me since one of us can bust, tell players to call all-ins, table teach big stacks when hes on my leftso that he steals blinds,etc) in almost every bubble and Ive never recieved a warning.

[wulfheir]

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isnt life tough? Stop being such a whiner, if u cant beat em join them. I basically collude( tell players to not call me since one of us can bust, tell players to call all-ins, table teach big stacks when hes on my leftso that he steals blinds,etc) in almost every bubble and Ive never recieved a warning.

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Dumb post, find something more productive to do than name-calling.

[Slim Pickens]

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tell players to call all-ins

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I don't think it counts as collusion if it's you colluding by yourself against the rest of the table, at least I hope that doesn't count.

[Phill S]

Arent you the 14 year old?

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isnt life tough? Stop being such a whiner, if u cant beat em join them. I basically collude( tell players to not call me since one of us can bust, tell players to call all-ins, table teach big stacks when hes on my leftso that he steals blinds,etc) in almost every bubble and Ive never recieved a warning.

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Err, nevermind.

Phill

[valenzuela]

my two points are:
- party &amp; skin are very profitable and its stupid to cash out and stop playing because of one lost coinflip( if u depostied on anthr skin, nvm)
- whats so wrong about small collusion when everybody does it and party doesnt care.

And yeah Im 17 but hey I bet you were much more clueless when u were my age.

[Phill S]

Im not going to dispute your prolly less clueless at 17 than i was at 17, but i could argue that this is a moot point.

I knew collusion made baby jesus cry when i was 17. And thats when i thought communism was a worthwhile model for society building.

(Great theory, doesnt work in practice)

Phill

[valenzuela]

i didnt read ure post, anyway im kinda tired today so im basically deleting all ,my posts if i can.
well i cant delete my posts and i read ure post.
Im basing my claim on two facts:
-I live in Chile, u live in America or some other rich country. Even though Im a lucky boy Ive had and will have some amazing expereinces I doubt u will ever have.
-Communism is too typical , Im against democracy.
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