View Full Version : BODOG account DISABLED for Colllusion...HELP
OK, here's the skinny:
Friend told me about the sick overlay in tournies and the bottomless bonus, told me I had to sign up and play, I do, been playing cash games for the last two weeks (excessively). I am up a good amount of money. Been trying to cash out but I couldn't until I cleared bonus. Last night, I decide to play some more Poker, I sit down at about 3AM. I'm sitting 5/10 NL, I post in the CO, and get dealt 99, a guy goes all in UTG for 625, I type in "I have a real hand, are you being crazy?" and call. HE has K4o, I bust him. The very next hand I win as well, against a regular player. The tilted player from before, comes back, reposts, and and loses all in to AK vs AQ. Not to me, He says "Hey, AZK you want my money, I'm like sure" So he says open up a private table, I say I don't know how. He sits back down with $800. He makes it 65 to go from his post, I know he is retarded, so I make it 800 to go with TT in the SB. He instcalls with 43s and I bust him again. I play a little bit more, I win a little bit more, I go to bed. I get up this morning my account is disabled. I call Bodog, they say they suspect me of collusion/shady business and will investigate, but the main investigator is not here right now. So I have to call back later. The guy says he couldn't tell me any more information, but if I'm guilty, all my winnings will be forfeited. When I say I'm up a good amount and have been running red hot, I mean, half my bankroll is currently on the site I've been doing so well.
Umm, What the [censored]?
What do you do in a situation like this? Recommendations?
For the last two weeks I had been skeptical of BODOG to begin with just becuase I had seen some ridiculous play at the tables and wasn't completely sure it was as legit as say Party, certain hands were turned up that it was just like how did people get there, certain action river cards, certain 2 outers, etc, I know these things hit in poker, but they seemed to hit with a higher frequency/for more action at bodog, but I kept my mouth shut cuase I was running red hot and figured I was just being paranoid/figured you would all laugh at me. Now what?
HELP. Am I totally [censored]?
daveymck
07-14-2005, 11:56 AM
I think you wait and see what the inspector says and then go from there, although that guy you played either sounded like he was tilting big time or playing with cash that maybe wasnt his own.
If they plan to keep your funds you can either plead your case and maybe goto that casinomeister site and post there or give up as there is no redress if they do this.
Personally I would wait and see what they say before panicking too much.
Smackdab
07-14-2005, 11:57 AM
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I wouldn't think so.........as long as what you are posting is the whole story. Just be honest with investigations. Maybe that guy dumping to you like he did last night raised some red flag but suggest they review your play over the last 2 weeks. I am assuming you were playing the same limit this whole time and not 1/2 Limit. A jump from 1/2 Limit to 5/10 NL and a guy dumping money to you like that would certainly be suspicious.
smartalecc5
07-14-2005, 11:58 AM
Let the truth set you free!
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I wouldn't think so.........as long as what you are posting is the whole story. Just be honest with investigations. Maybe that guy dumping to you like he did last night raised some red flag but suggest they review your play over the last 2 weeks. I am assuming you were playing the same limit this whole time and not 1/2 Limit. A jump from 1/2 Limit to 5/10 NL and a guy dumping money to you like that would certainly be suspicious.
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I've been playing 5/10 NL the whole time, with an occasional SNG thrown in here or there. My hours have been pretty regular to, so it's not like I signed on at some random time.
Last ngiht, I spent a while with another friend talking about the fishiness of bodog, and not just talking about the players, he is a long time prima player and we both agreed that it seems like something weird is going on with the cards at bodog, but that was just our paranoia...
primetime32
07-14-2005, 12:24 PM
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He says "Hey, AZK you want my money, I'm like sure" So he says open up a private table, I say I don't know how. He sits back down with $800. He makes it 65 to go from his post, I know he is retarded, so I make it 800 to go with TT in the SB. He instcalls with 43s and I bust him again.
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This exactly the type of situation that SHOULD set off alarms and account closure until an investigation is completed. from an objective stand point that looks like it could have been chip dumping. I would just plead with them to investigate the other guy and leave you out if since you can control other peoples stupidity.
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I'm sitting 5/10 NL, I post in the CO, and get dealt 99, a guy goes all in UTG for 625, I type in "I have a real hand, are you being crazy?" and call.
HELP. Am I totally [censored]?
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Yes.
coffeecrazy1
07-14-2005, 12:31 PM
Who would AZK be colluding with in this situation? Himself? A guy who goes on massive monkey tilt and decides to throw $800 at somebody does not stink of collusion. Now...if other people were in the hand and you guys whipsawed them, then that may be a problem. Was anyone sandwiched in this hand?
Also...if this guy was pissed enough, he may have just reported you in order to be a total prick.
TylerD
07-14-2005, 12:35 PM
not collusion, chip dumping. "crazy" guy steals credit card, dumps chips to AZK he cashes them out (in BoDog's view of course).
Good luck AZK, i think it will work out.
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This exactly the type of situation that SHOULD set off alarms and account closure until an investigation is completed. from an objective stand point that looks like it could have been chip dumping. I would just plead with them to investigate the other guy and leave you out if since you can control other peoples stupidity.
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I agree, it should have set alarm bells off with me, but at the saem time, we've all been in a game, were someone is tilting off his rocker, people are talking [censored], being like oh you want to bust me yada yada and it's just part of the game....
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Was anyone sandwiched in this hand?
Also...if this guy was pissed enough, he may have just reported you in order to be a total prick.
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No one else was in the hand. I wouldn't be suprised if he did that, he was getting roasted by the table. Bodog players are very active in chat, in the middle of a hand people will type 'call', 'he's bluffing' etc... some of this was going on in the chat while we were playing, it's easy to see how this could play a part...
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Was anyone sandwiched in this hand?
Also...if this guy was pissed enough, he may have just reported you in order to be a total prick.
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No one else was in the hand. I wouldn't be suprised if he did that, he was getting roasted by the table. Bodog players are very active in chat, in the middle of a hand people will type 'call', 'he's bluffing' etc... some of this was going on in the chat while we were playing, it's easy to see how this could play a part...
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your action looks like chip dumping not collusion
it doesn't make any sense for him to accuse you of accepting his chip dumps. Maybe someone at the table pissed at him, or you.
I just called the "Head of the Poker Security Team" at bodog, he said he just got in, is looking into it and to call back in 4 hours...I'll keep you all posted. Anything I should be aware of/say etc when dealing with this situation, I've never been involved in something like this.
Allinlife
07-14-2005, 01:22 PM
just tell in up straight and you should be fine.
i hope it all works out.
teddyFBI
07-14-2005, 01:29 PM
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For the last two weeks I had been skeptical of BODOG to begin with just becuase I had seen some ridiculous play at the tables and wasn't completely sure it was as legit as say Party, certain hands were turned up that it was just like how did people get there, certain action river cards, certain 2 outers, etc, I know these things hit in poker, but they seemed to hit with a higher frequency/for more action at bodog
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For whatever it's worth, i seem to have noticed a lot more crazy cards at bodog too than at other sites. I know, I know, if a new poster here said something like that, I'd take him to task for being an ignorant NOOB, but that's just my off-the-cuff opinion. And it's based on only about 5,000 hands, so it's probably worthless.
I hope you get out of this jam, but if i may be so bold: common sense should have told you something was fishy -- somebody basically just asked to dump his chips to you at a private table, and you accept?? I'm glad Bodog flagged this, personally. If you're on the level, though, i hope you get your $ back.
ZimbuTheMonkey
07-14-2005, 01:30 PM
No reason to tell anything but the truth. Don't complicate matters by considering all contingencies.
ilikeaces
07-14-2005, 01:32 PM
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For the last two weeks I had been skeptical of BODOG to begin with just becuase I had seen some ridiculous play at the tables and wasn't completely sure it was as legit as say Party, certain hands were turned up that it was just like how did people get there, certain action river cards, certain 2 outers, etc, I know these things hit in poker, but they seemed to hit with a higher frequency/for more action at bodog
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For whatever it's worth, i seem to have noticed a lot more crazy cards at bodog too than at other sites. I know, I know, if a new poster here said something like that, I'd take him to task for being an ignorant NOOB, but that's just my off-the-cuff opinion. And it's based on only about 5,000 hands, so it's probably worthless.
I hope you get out of this jam, but if i may be so bold: common sense should have told you something was fishy -- somebody basically just asked to dump his chips to you at a private table, and you accept?? I'm glad Bodog flagged this, personally. If you're on the level, though, i hope you get your $ back.
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I have also noticed something weird with bodog cards.. And I am one of those people that crticize people for saying online pokers rigged. But hey I cant complain when the players are as bad as they are over there.
Sifmole
07-14-2005, 03:14 PM
Ain't that funny -- and this is like the only place I didn't feel the cards were all screwy.
Party&Co takes the cake for screwy cards.
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I hope you get out of this jam, but if i may be so bold: common sense should have told you something was fishy -- somebody basically just asked to dump his chips to you at a private table, and you accept?? I'm glad Bodog flagged this, personally. If you're on the level, though, i hope you get your $ back.
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Maybe I need to learn the difference between online/live poker, but I've played in some CRAAAAAAZY deep stack NL games, where soemone will get emptied out, take out a loan from say teh host or a friend rebuy to cover and people will just go at it for hours, crazy bluffs, calls etc... it's part of the game. People often say [censored] like 'hey wanna take all my money', etc, or hey 'give me that rubberband when you have no more money' a la tommy angelo story, I just thought this commment was one of those times. I didn't even egg the guy on, another guy was the one who was like yes lets go to another table now...
primetime32
07-14-2005, 03:29 PM
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I agree, it should have set alarm bells off with me, but at the saem time, we've all been in a game, were someone is tilting off his rocker, people are talking [censored], being like oh you want to bust me yada yada and it's just part of the game....
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don't get me wrong, i dont think you did anything wrong, but from bodogs perspective, if this situation wont set off alarms i dont know what would.
he publicly calls you out and then calls an all in with 43? Granted, if people do chip dump it wouldnt be this obvious, so that should be a sign to bodog that it wasnt chip dumping, but i dont blame them for investigating.
good luck
Sponger15SB
07-14-2005, 03:40 PM
Well, if you're playing 5/10NL, and half your bankroll is on this site, you've probably got a lot in there. That, combined with your play and a good talk with the main investigator should get it straightened out.
Bodog is a good company, and I (along with Sublime) have good faith that they will pull through. You have to admit this situation looks rather bizzare, and honestly I'm kinda glad they took some steps like this. Unless of course they steal you're money, then they can go [censored] themselves.
I'd point out that if this were really an act of deliberate chip dumping:
1) You wouldn't be discussing it in the chat box. You would have worked things out some other way
2) You wouldn't take chances that something could go majorly wrong -- ie, push preflop from UTG with K4o. Not only does K4o have a reasonable chance of defeating your 99, it also has a decent chance of getting called by one of the other players at the table. More efficient chip dumping would be done when the other players are already out of the hand, and the dumper has a hand which is already drawing dead and tries to "bluff" the river, or he simply invests a lot in the pot and then folds.
3) The dumper would not be playing big pots against other players at the table
I would not worry about anything until after their investigation is complete -- if the other player had attempted some type of fraud, it should be completely routine for them to lock up any accounts that won significant money from him until they have figured out what exactly transpired.
FWIW, you are most likely noticing so many bad beats there simply because so many people are willing to do stupid things that put themselves into such positions to make memorable suckouts. I have no doubts regarding the integrity of their product.
gambelero2
07-14-2005, 06:29 PM
I also feel something is wrong with the rng at bodog. Maybe they didn't invest enough or test it properly. It streaks too much and the probabilitie don't seem to work out right.
I haven't seen enough evidence to make a firm decision. I only play in the tournaments and don't have the feel for things a raked game player would have.
o0mr_bill0o
07-14-2005, 06:50 PM
Imagine the dumbass in this situation had been playing with money from a stolen credit card. would bodog try to recover the funds from the hero's account, pay it off themselves, or tell the victim/credit card company to go f themselves?
kylma
07-14-2005, 06:51 PM
When I played there I got the bonus immediately and could play with it- just couldn't cash it out before it was cleared. Is it still working this way?
Anyhow I could see one person depositing a huge amount (AFAIK there's no max, and it's 20%) and then losing that PLUS the bonus to his friend on a private heads up table..
Not saying this is the case here, of course, but it could be the cause of the investigations, and some of those strange plays..
Just a thought
Got an email from them saying my account had been restored. All is well, though I'm probably going to tone down my play there. Thanks for listening guys.
TylerD
07-14-2005, 07:30 PM
They were probably scared seeing as you're one of "The Greens" now.
augie00
07-14-2005, 08:03 PM
Glad to hear your account is fine, but...
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For the last two weeks I had been skeptical of BODOG to begin with just becuase I had seen some ridiculous play at the tables and wasn't completely sure it was as legit as say Party, certain hands were turned up that it was just like how did people get there, certain action river cards, certain 2 outers, etc, I know these things hit in poker, but they seemed to hit with a higher frequency/for more action at bodog, but I kept my mouth shut cuase I was running red hot and figured I was just being paranoid/figured you would all laugh at me. Now what?
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Did anyone else laugh at the fact that a moderator on 2+2 just made an "online poker is rigged" post?
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Did anyone else laugh at the fact that a moderator on 2+2 just made an "online poker is rigged" post?
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It is not rigged, I realize there are probably 100 ways to run a site/distribute cards, and I just commented that I feel like the card distributor on bodog behaves a little differently than the one on party/stars whatever. It could just be variance, maybe a bunching of monster hands, etc...
I realize the irony...
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Did anyone else laugh at the fact that a moderator on 2+2 just made an "online poker is rigged" post?
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It is not rigged, I realize there are probably 100 ways to run a site/distribute cards, and I just commented that I feel like the card distributor on bodog behaves a little differently than the one on party/stars whatever. It could just be variance, maybe a bunching of monster hands, etc...
I realize the irony...
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BODOG IS RIGGED!!!!1!
edit: great to hear about your cash bro.
jman220
07-14-2005, 10:09 PM
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Did anyone else laugh at the fact that a moderator on 2+2 just made an "online poker is rigged" post?
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It is not rigged, I realize there are probably 100 ways to run a site/distribute cards, and I just commented that I feel like the card distributor on bodog behaves a little differently than the one on party/stars whatever. It could just be variance, maybe a bunching of monster hands, etc...
I realize the irony...
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Glad to hear everything worked out. I hope that you withdraw most of that money. I can't think it would ever be a good idea to keep such a huge portion of your bankroll on one poker site, especially considering the stakes you play at. Anything can go wrong, and what happenned here is a good example of why we should all be cautious with our money and not have all our eggs in one basket.
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