Hand reading 101

[tongni]

I knew something was up. I guess I finally know where a good player's extra 1 bb/100 comes from.

***** Hand History for Game 2360714496 *****
$20/$40 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 14, 02:01:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 51963 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 9: cosmicpoker ( $1650.40 )
Seat 8: tongni5 ( $1978 )
Seat 2: dday2211 ( $1036.90 )
Seat 3: Nagaroshima ( $2430 )
Seat 5: drewr222 ( $418 )
Seat 4: willvicjen8 ( $814 )
Seat 6: moniandrea28 ( $704 )
Seat 7: georgepetrak ( $1021 )
Seat 1: Maccent ( $2634 )
Seat 10: Dulcinea_ ( $1000 )
Maccent posts small blind [$10].
dday2211 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tongni5 [ Kc Ac ]
>You have options at Table 52004 Table!.
>You have options at Table 52004 Table!.
Nagaroshima folds.
willvicjen8 folds.
drewr222 calls [$20].
moniandrea28 raises [$40].
georgepetrak folds.
tongni5 raises [$60].
>You have options at Table 52004 Table!.
cosmicpoker folds.
Maccent folds.
dday2211 folds.
drewr222 calls [$40].
>You have options at Table 52004 Table!.
moniandrea28 calls [$20].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 7c, 7h ]
drewr222 checks.
moniandrea28 checks.
tongni5 bets [$20].
drewr222 calls [$20].
moniandrea28 calls [$20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
drewr222 checks.
>You have options at Table 52153 Table!.
>You have options at Table 52045 Table!.
moniandrea28 checks.
tongni5 bets [$40].
drewr222 calls [$40].
moniandrea28 calls [$40].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
drewr222 checks.
moniandrea28 checks.
tongni5 checks.
drewr222 shows [ 3d, 3s ] a full house, Threes full of sevens.
moniandrea28 doesn't show [ Qh, Kh ] a pair of sevens.
tongni5 doesn't show [ Kc, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
drewr222 wins $387 from the main pot with a full house, Threes full of sevens.

[ike]

even though it was right this time your river check is awful. how did put him on a boat?

[tpir90036]

This post makes my head hurt.... time for a glass of wine and sleep.

[tongni]

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP1 has 3d 3s (full house, threes full of sevens).
MP2 has Qh Kh (one pair, sevens).
Hero has Kc Ac (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 9.75 BB. </font>

[freemoney]

lol hide this post dont let anyone you know see it.

[surfdoc]

Do you have an explanation here?

[pokerhooker]

I have to agree with 'freemoney', I don't think you played the hand too well.

Your original post sounds like you were patting yourself on the back for a good read of your opponent's boat. When and how did you figure it out? Was it before or after you chose to bet the turn and risk getting check-raised, rather than taking the free card in position?

Check the turn; you're not getting a better hand to fold, you gain the most from a free card, and you might induce a river bluff from a worse ace. Despite the results, considering the range of hands your opponents could have, not betting the nut flush on the river is a mistake.

You're lucky your opponent played his hand worse than you.

[Nightwish]

Worst. Check. Ever.

[MrFeelNothin]

Daaaamn, tongni5 is even weaker than tongni4.

[flawless_victory]

is this a joke? did you really play this hand?

[MrStretchie]

This can't be for real. Look where it says
whassisname doesn't show [kh qh]

If he doesn't show.. how do you know?

*Please let it not be real! Nooooooo!*

[MaxPower]

[ QUOTE ]
I knew something was up. I guess I finally know where a good player's extra 1 bb/100 comes from.


[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, a good player would have made an extra 1 BB by betting the river with his flush.

[MrFeelNothin]

[ QUOTE ]
This can't be for real. Look where it says
whassisname doesn't show [kh qh]

If he doesn't show.. how do you know?

*Please let it not be real! Nooooooo!*

[/ QUOTE ]

Any hand that goes to showdown can be seen in the HH. Thats kind of key knowledge for playing online.

And from what I've seen of this player I can assure you it is very very real.

[MrStretchie]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This can't be for real. Look where it says
whassisname doesn't show [kh qh]

If he doesn't show.. how do you know?

*Please let it not be real! Nooooooo!*

[/ QUOTE ]

Any hand that goes to showdown can be seen in the HH. Thats kind of key knowledge for playing online.

And from what I've seen of this player I can assure you it is very very real.

[/ QUOTE ]

Any.. hand that.. seriously?? I can't believe I didn't know that.

[Michael Emery]

A good player bets his flush here 100% of the time. The fact that you ran into the .1% instance where you avoided getting check-raised is inconsequential.

Mike Emery

[tongni]

Yeah, just got home. It was a misclick. But hey, for those people that think I'm weak, keep buddylisting me and 3betting me. I'll never catch on.

[oreogod]

[ QUOTE ]
I have to agree with 'freemoney', I don't think you played the hand too well.

Your original post sounds like you were patting yourself on the back for a good read of your opponent's boat. When and how did you figure it out? Was it before or after you chose to bet the turn and risk getting check-raised, rather than taking the free card in position?

Check the turn; you're not getting a better hand to fold, you gain the most from a free card, and you might induce a river bluff from a worse ace. Despite the results, considering the range of hands your opponents could have, not betting the nut flush on the river is a mistake.

You're lucky your opponent played his hand worse than you.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I dont mind a turn bet since he picked up the draw. If u get check/raised, 99% of the time (the 1 percent of the time u are not up against a full house) -- u have enough outs and odds to call a CR if it happens.

But unless someone is slowplaying a 7 or higher pair, u wont get popped here to often.