need a sanity check with these hands

[tminus]

Bankroll is bleeding like all hell so Im posting these in an attempt to stay sane...i usually list the player types but ive come to believe it doesnt matter much at the tens

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#Game No : 2359661690
***** Hand History for Game 2359661690 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13911446 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Wednesday, July 13, 22:14:45 EDT
Table Table 11588 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: EightEdge ( $1220 )
Seat 8: bankerluck ( $565 )
Seat 6: Tminus9 ( $1055 )
Seat 3: Sappydaddy ( $3350 )
Seat 10: josebolando ( $945 )
Seat 7: prich66 ( $675 )
Seat 9: hoserman23 ( $190 )
Trny:13911446 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Tminus9 [ Js Jc ]
Tminus9 raises [150].
prich66 folds.
bankerluck folds.
hoserman23 folds.
josebolando folds.
EightEdge is all-In [1195]
Sappydaddy folds.
Tminus9 is all-In [905]
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#Game No : 2360371545
***** Hand History for Game 2360371545 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13914592 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Thursday, July 14, 00:02:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 11534 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 5: Tminus9 ( $1380 )
Seat 2: A1pigeon ( $2604 )
Seat 7: tmugs ( $875 )
Seat 8: Brick39 ( $3141 )
Trny:13914592 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Tminus9 [ Ts Js ]
tmugs folds.
Brick39 raises [600].
A1pigeon folds.
Tminus9 is all-In [1080]
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#Game No : 2360023624
***** Hand History for Game 2360023624 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13913044 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, July 13, 23:09:00 EDT 2005
Table Table 11532 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: Tminus9 ( $1058 )
Seat 5: bayballer1 ( $2080 )
Seat 8: imthedhu ( $1433 )
Seat 10: ItFromDerry ( $3429 )
Trny:13913044 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Tminus9 [ 7s 7d ]
Tminus9 is all-In [1058]

[wiggs73]

Hand 1 - I like the PF raise fine. I'd fold to the push though. You're a coinflip at best against too many hands and you have plenty of chips to get away from the hand after putting 150 in.

Hand 2 - Just fold. You have no FE here and he's getting the odds to call with pretty much any 2. There is also 1 stack that's in worse shape than you, which comes into play a bit here.

Hand 3 - Rather easy push.

[lastchance]

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Hand 1 - I like the PF raise fine. I'd fold to the push though. You're a coinflip at best against too many hands and you have plenty of chips to get away from the hand after putting 150 in.

Hand 2 - Just fold. You have no FE here and he's getting the odds to call with pretty much any 2. There is also 1 stack that's in worse shape than you, which comes into play a bit here.

Hand 3 - Rather easy push.

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What he said.

[11t]

I fold 1-2 but I push 3.

I would call with QQ on #1 though.

[tminus]

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Hand 1 - I like the PF raise fine. I'd fold to the push though. You're a coinflip at best against too many hands

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with no read on the opponent, what would you expect from the typical $10 player ? i was thinking AK, AQ, AJ or any pair TT+.....?

[Ixnert]

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with no read on the opponent, what would you expect from the typical $10 player ? i was thinking AK, AQ, AJ or any pair TT+.....?

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From what I've seen, that's about right (with the occasional lower pair thrown in). JJ and AJ are unlikely, and you're only well ahead of TT in this range once you remove those two.

[wiggs73]

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Hand 1 - I like the PF raise fine. I'd fold to the push though. You're a coinflip at best against too many hands

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with no read on the opponent, what would you expect from the typical $10 player ? i was thinking AK, AQ, AJ or any pair TT+.....?

[/ QUOTE ]

Let's look at the range you put him on.

You dominate TT and AJ.
You're dominated by QQ, KK, AA.
You're coinflipping with AK, AQ.
You're tied with JJ.

I just think you can find better spots to get your money in than this, especially being that it's still early and you have a very workable stack if you fold.

[tminus]

good point

[gildwulf]

Hand 1 fold, Hand 2 WTF fold, Hand 3 push

[lem45216]

Generally you want to avoid the close gambles, especially early on I find (let your skill do the work) so i'd fold hand one. I'd probably fold QQ here as well.

I'd also fold the JT because of the Gap concept and the fact you'd need a much better hand to call at this late stage.

I agree with you on hand 3.

Wow, that was my first ever comment on how i'd play certain hands on the twoplustwo forums. Thats a landmark for me.

[jedi]

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with no read on the opponent, what would you expect from the typical $10 player ? i was thinking AK, AQ, AJ or any pair TT+.....?

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From what I've seen, that's about right (with the occasional lower pair thrown in). JJ and AJ are unlikely, and you're only well ahead of TT in this range once you remove those two.

[/ QUOTE ]

Remember, there's a big difference between pushing and calling an all-in. If you were going to call an all-in in Hand 1, then you probably should have pushed to begin with. Your stack was too big to really do that, so you took your shot at a raise, and now have to fold. You still have enough chips for this.

Hand #2, villain will call anyways. Your hand might have been good enough to open push, but not enough to push against a caller who will call with any 2 cards.

Hand #3. Standard.

[wulfheir]

Hand 2 - Does a stop and go hold any merit here?

[gildwulf]

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Hand 2 - Does a stop and go hold any merit here?

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Nope. If you call you commit half your stack and are giving him 2-1 on the flop no matter what falls. Plus this is the 10s and Stop and Go=Fancy Play Syndrome.

[morgan180]

Hand 1 - at the tens you're probably looking at a AQ/AJ or worse hand (it could be the big ones, but b/c AA/KK/QQ are less likely, and it was a push vs. some other type of raise designed to get you to call) so i am fine with the call there, if you're looking to gambool.

Hand 2 - fold.

Hand 3 - push/fold.

[durron597]

Hand 1 limp/fold unless you get priced in to flop a set.
Hand 2 fold
Hand 3 push

[tminus]

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Hand 2 - Does a stop and go hold any merit here?

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Nope. If you call you commit half your stack and are giving him 2-1 on the flop no matter what falls. Plus this is the 10s and Stop and Go=Fancy Play Syndrome.

[/ QUOTE ]

true but they usually just want to see the flop so you can pull this on the turn...

[gildwulf]

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Hand 2 - Does a stop and go hold any merit here?

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Nope. If you call you commit half your stack and are giving him 2-1 on the flop no matter what falls. Plus this is the 10s and Stop and Go=Fancy Play Syndrome.

[/ QUOTE ]

true but they usually just want to see the flop so you can pull this on the turn...

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How are you going to get to the turn with 600 chips?

[tminus]

RE: JJ

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If you were going to call an all-in in Hand 1, then you probably should have pushed to begin with. Your stack was too big to really do that, so you took your shot at a raise, and now have to fold.

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one reason I HATE jacks early...