20s and 30s study group

[gildwulf]

Yo,

Starting study group for 20s and 30s to trade HH and talk shop...already got 3 people. Would be mostly through MSN and for PP. Preferably people with a solid ROI over a large sample (10%+).

Lemme know if anyone is interested...

[1C5]

As said, I am in. Mostly play 20s now and some 30s.

[Maulik]

count me too. holla

[zipppy]

Yes, I'd be in too. I play only 22s.

[pergesu]

I'm in, ship it.

We could talk on IRC, too. Pretty easy.

[DJ Sensei]

I'm down like a clown, charlie brown. I've been playing exclusively on pokerroom (i like the structure better, but its probably less fishy), but will probably switch back to party soon. Perhaps as soon as this starts.

[A_PLUS]

Im in, I have been climbing back into SNGs as my bank roll booster of choice after trying to weather the MTT variance alone. I used to play 30$s, but have jumped back into 20+2s for the time being.

[KennyBanya]

I am very interested in participating in this group. I just moved up to the 20s last week, but had a 19.5% ROI over 1000 10+1s.

Feel free to IM me to join in.

Thanks,

KennyBanya

[octaveshift]

Study groups are teh ghey!

LOLOLOLOLOL

----> QWIK- TO THE w00tBikE!:

(Bwaaaaa bwaaaaaaa bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.)



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[pergesu]

I've mastered the art of 26 buyin downswings over 230 games. With no end in sight. So if anyone wants to learn how to do that...I'm your guy.

edit: I can spell "sight"

[11t]

I'd be interested, I'm going to be moving over to empire soon but right now I'm playing on PokerStars

[11t]

I'm already a master at the 30 buyin downswing

I lost 15 buyins in 22 tournaments yesterday.

[gildwulf]

OK...let me be more specific so I don't get another 20 PMs with the only text being "I'm interested"...

IF YOU ARE interested...give me your email and I will start a mass email list and send it out tomorrow...

The goal eventually is to
1) get everyone on an email list so we can plan and schedule things
2) introduce everyone
3) get everyone on some form of chat room (IM or MSN) so we can have actual conversations
4) start trading HH with players
5) possibly (in the distant future) pool together pokertracker data so we can avoid each other and pick out fish more easily...this one is obviously up for debate as people might think it is -EV (I don't think it's -EV if more 2+2ers avoid my table but whatev)
6) maybe eventually set up a weekly 1-table SNG at a site that allows this (or a NL25 game if no site does)

anyway, so respond with something more than "I'm interested"...

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm already a master at the 30 buyin downswing

I lost 15 buyins in 22 tournaments yesterday.

[/ QUOTE ]

My biggest OOTM so far is 11...I don't keep track of buy-in drops...

I also have a fairly small sample...approx 1000 at 10s and <500 at 20s (I only play like 10-20 hrs a week and I play a lot of six-max)

[flyingmoose]

I'm in. I have a 19.8% ROI at the 20s, but I got beaten like I stole something in my first 100 33s. Mostly variance, but they're notably tougher.

[Slim Pickens]

[ QUOTE ]
5) possibly (in the distant future) pool together pokertracker data so we can avoid each other and pick out fish more easily...this one is obviously up for debate as people might think it is -EV (I don't think it's -EV if more 2+2ers avoid my table but whatev)

[/ QUOTE ]

Count me out for this element. My PT database is mine and only mine. Top Secret Highly Restricted Data.

[BadMongo]

Sounds good. I'm in.

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
5) possibly (in the distant future) pool together pokertracker data so we can avoid each other and pick out fish more easily...this one is obviously up for debate as people might think it is -EV (I don't think it's -EV if more 2+2ers avoid my table but whatev)

[/ QUOTE ]

Count me out for this element. My PT database is mine and only mine. Top Secret Highly Restricted Data.

[/ QUOTE ]

As I said, this is just something that a handful of people could agree to do or something. I don't really care, it's not the point of this group anyways...just a cool Communist red pinko way of hurting up the 20s and 30s.

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
Sounds good. I'm in.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, your name rules. I like you already.

[wildzer0]

Please tell me you're a Turbo fan.

[wildzer0]

I'll throw my two cents in, because I PM'd guildwulf earlier. I moved down from the 50s to the 10s a few months ago after my confidence took a big hit after a 25 buy-in drop. I took my bankroll down to 50 11 buy-ins. and started working my way up again. Since then I've worked my way up to the 30s where I've been 8 tabling for a while. I've got an 18% ROI over about 1000. My biggest need for improvement is my ITM pay - i'll just say I have a huge number of 3rds. I'm happy to participate in all of the points that gildwulf pointed out and I'm looking forward to talking with everyone.

[Sabrazack]

Im very interested in this, and i too think IRC would be a great place to talk. Have 10% roi over 1500 PP 10+1 and 20+2 tours. Running pretty cold though so i think i can do slightly better.

[11t]

my e-mail is matthew.anderson2@und.nodak.edu

I might suggest IRC for chatting purposes

[BadMongo]

Run back home and lock the door -
The streets ain't safe no more

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[gildwulf]

OK, I'm still missing emails from wildzer0, Maulik, zipppy, DJ Sensei, A_Plus, Kenny Banya, and Sabrazack....

The list is those people plus

gildwulf
1c5
stupidsucker
slim pickens
ricp
Pergesu
BadMongo
Bluff Daddy
Yid3655
proell
etc..

We have the makings of a dream team here:)

[wildzer0]

Who the hell did I email then? /images/graemlins/confused.gif
I think I mailed your gmail account earlier today. I'll pm my addy in case it went into your spam or something.

[gildwulf]

Oh yea, whoops...i forgot to account for emails. Yea, you are good.

Edit: as soon as other players send me their email addies I will send out the first mass email and we can get this thing rolling. If noone responds by tomorrow night I will send it out then with the people on the list...

[Olback]

I am interested in this. I have PMed you my email addy etc

I currently play the $33 on Eurobet and have a smallish sample there, but have sent alot of time on the PS normal and turbo tournies.

[johnny005]

count me in I've been looking for something like this for some time

[pergesu]

I'm not like...out of the group cause I dicked around in the atlantic trout game, am I?

[gildwulf]

ho [censored] and pergesu...i thought i put him in there

[Isura]

I'm in when I come back from pwning the 200NL games in vegas. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif I play the 20s.

[trigger man]

I am in, though I am just a 10's player. However, I will be in the 20's soon.

Has anyone thought of IRC, possibly

[Benholio]

I think IRC + some simple HH repository on the web somewhere (for full HH's) would be a good combo.

[gildwulf]

That seems like the general consensus. 20+ people now...I figure the easiest thing to do would be to pair people up and trade 2 HH once a week and get feedback...then 2 new HH and another person etc...

p.s. pm me with email again if you guys are interested

[Olback]

still sounds great. i have already pm'ed u my emaila ddy do u want it again?

[A_PLUS]

Something that needs to be addressed is the shared use of various tools that cost money.

I dont think we should have a group where 4-5 people have paid for Eastbay's tool, PT, etc. and basically share the tool with others. My biggest concern is Eastbay's tool, as he has already contributed more to our win rates that he ever needed to. I would suggest that we all aggree to purchase the tool before we start.

I have created my own tool, which does similar calculations, but I know I will be using Eastbay's tool through other players, so I am willing to pay the piper.

[gildwulf]

Final list: wildzer0, pergesu, 1c5, stupidsucker, Slim Pickens, RicP, BadMongo, Bluff Daddy, Yid3655, proell, Mauli, Zipppy, DJ Sensei, A_Plus, KennyBanya, Sabrazack, johnny05, Olback, 11t, flyingmoose, infinite_loop, trigger_man, Ace_Kang, New York Jet

Missing emails from: zipppy, Sabrazack, flyingmoose

I will send out the mass email later tonight with or without the last 4 emails and we can get started.

[Maulik]

looking forward to this.

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
Something that needs to be addressed is the shared use of various tools that cost money.

I dont think we should have a group where 4-5 people have paid for Eastbay's tool, PT, etc. and basically share the tool with others. My biggest concern is Eastbay's tool, as he has already contributed more to our win rates that he ever needed to. I would suggest that we all aggree to purchase the tool before we start.

I have created my own tool, which does similar calculations, but I know I will be using Eastbay's tool through other players, so I am willing to pay the piper.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good point. I'm buying it before we get started.

[citanul]

i created an IRC chat room, btw. i don't know if anyone's interested or whatnot, but the room is 2p2sng, on the EFNet network.

as a tool for discussing hands, i'm still a little hazy on either it's, or an off forum mailing list's superiority over just posting in the forum. but i'm guessing that you guys want to do a lot of hand history exchanging and stuff that would otherwise be of less interest to the general population.

citanul

[Maulik]

[ QUOTE ]
i created an IRC chat room, btw. i don't know if anyone's interested or whatnot, but the room is 2p2sng, on the EFNet network.

as a tool for discussing hands, i'm still a little hazy on either it's, or an off forum mailing list's superiority over just posting in the forum. but i'm guessing that you guys want to do a lot of hand history exchanging and stuff that would otherwise be of less interest to the general population.

citanul

[/ QUOTE ]

something for you to consider, in the mean time our boy created a new forum =]

thanks for creating the irc room, we should make use of that at set times during the week or perhaps a few set times during the week.

ty

[zipppy]

[ QUOTE ]

Missing emails from: zipppy, Sabrazack, flyingmoose


[/ QUOTE ]

I sent you a PM yesterday with my email. Did you not get it?

>>>ZIPPPY

[A_PLUS]

Just paid for Eastbay's tool, I suggest every on else in the group do the same

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Missing emails from: zipppy, Sabrazack, flyingmoose


[/ QUOTE ]

I sent you a PM yesterday with my email. Did you not get it?

>>>ZIPPPY

[/ QUOTE ]

No suh, no PMs here.

[1C5]

Someone has to tell me how to use IRC if we do that, I have never used it before.

Eastbay's tool is a good investment.

[11t]

Yah I bought her this morning.

[citanul]

Get a client, such as mIRC. Just use google, and grab it.

Install the client.

fill in some information on the configuration screen, and where it says "servers" tell it you want to connect to a random EFNet server.

Connect to the server using the connect button (on mIRC it's the button immediately under the "file" menu.

once connected, you will probably get a popup of some "popular" rooms. you can add your own favorites to this menu if you want, or you can just close this window.

to join a room from the main IRC window, just type /join #roomname

so for instance /join #2p2sng

i'm pretty green at this stuff too, so hopefully i won't have confused anyone else.

[zipppy]

[ QUOTE ]

Eastbay's tool is a good investment.

[/ QUOTE ]

Does anyone anticipate sites not allowing Eastbay's tool in the future? I'm not up on the latest, but it seems like Empire, etc have cracked down on people using other programs in conjunction with their poker client, and I worry about the same thing happening here. I'm simply afraid of dropping $80 on a tool I'm going to have to delete from my harddrive in a week. Thoughts?


>>>ZIPPPY

[1C5]

Eastbay may chime in but I think if the sites ban his tool, they will have to ban Excel also as you could do the same things with it pretty much with enough time. Oh and they should take a screenshot of your office and ban you if they see a calculator on the desk somewhere as you may be cheating with that.

[citanul]

also remember: eastbay's tool is not designed for use during game play.

[BadMongo]

I just picked up Eastbay's tool today... holy [censored] that is an impressive piece of software.

[gildwulf]

Yea, I don't think it will be a problem because, from what I've heard, you can't use the tool while you play and as long as you have PP closed when you are looking through your hands it should be fine.

[1C5]

true, I have used it during a game before though. shhhh don't tell anyone.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm in. I have a 19.8% ROI at the 20s, but I got beaten like I stole something in my first 100 33s. Mostly variance, but they're notably tougher.

[/ QUOTE ]

Assuming your name is also Flying Moose on Party (skin), part of your variance problem might be going allin preflop on level 2 with ATs. But sucking out to KK is very +EV.

Scuba

[gildwulf]

Final list:

moderators of group: gildwulf, pergesu, Maulik

members:
gildwulf
pergesu
maulik
wildzer0
1c5
stupidsucker
Slim Pickens
RicP
BadMongo
Bluff Daddy
Yid3655
proell
zipppy
Dj Sensei
A_Plus
KennyBanya
AgentSP
Johnny05
Olback
11t
infinite_loop
trigger_man
Ace_Kang
New York Jet
Zaphod
Jonsan
Deuce2high

peeps without emails (after repeated mentioning to send me an email): Sabrazack and flyingmoose

I will send out an email to those people shortly about where we will post, etc...

Some very cool stuff is going to happen with this...

[pergesu]

bwahaha, I get to be a prick like citanul.

Watch out n00bs, I'll wtf_pwn you with the quickness /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Meatmaw]

Thanks for the info. I never use IRC and would like to try this. Is it possible to create branching rooms? Considering the topic of this thread, I was curious how simple it'd be to create a group that could discuss Party 55s. I figured it'd be handy and fun if those of us hitting the tables could get on and chat/rant/rave about various hands while we're grinding through.

[pergesu]

just type in "/join #sng55" when you connect. You can create any channel you want. I'll be idling in #2p2sng

[gator8373]

i guess i am too late huh?
i used to play 20s at pp and ps. my roll allowed me to move up to 30s and then 50s. been on a old streak lately and i am back to 20s. i really would be very interested in joining this. i am gator8373 on ps. msn chat is the same name here @aol.com (seems weird with aol.com, but it is)

[gildwulf]

Not too late...check PMs...and if anyone else wants to join, PM me and I will send info.

[gildwulf]

forum is up and running...check your emails people and if you have any problems, PM stupidsucker or gildwulf...

peace

[gator8373]

thank you. i am new to this forum. looking for the PMs. lol at least you have my email too. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

edit: yes i know what PM is from non-poker forums. i just cant find it here yet /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[gildwulf]

For anyone still interested, we have set up a couple of different study groups at:

http://suckerpoker.com/phpbb2/index.php.

There is a 10+1, a 20+2 and 30+3 (combined), and a 50+5 in the works. It will be mostly substantive HHs and a venue for people to contact each other to trade HHs.

The study groups are invisible, so PM myself or stupidsucker to open them up.

Peace.

Note: this is by NO means a substitute for any 2+2 discussion...it's just a place where 20-30 people can post HHs every week and trade HH without clogging up the STT forum here.

[jeffraider]

[ QUOTE ]
For anyone still interested, we have set up a couple of different study groups at:

http://suckerpoker.com/phpbb2/index.php.

There is a 10+1, a 20+2 and 30+3 (combined), and a 50+5 in the works. It will be mostly substantive HHs and a venue for people to contact each other to trade HHs.

The study groups are invisible, so PM myself or stupidsucker to open them up.

Peace.

Note: this is by NO means a substitute for any 2+2 discussion...it's just a place where 20-30 people can post HHs every week and trade HH without clogging up the STT forum here.

[/ QUOTE ]

D'oh! I missed out on this thing getting started. I can't seem to follow that link to the forums. I'll PM you right now, gildwulf!

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
For anyone still interested, we have set up a couple of different study groups at:

http://suckerpoker.com/phpbb2/index.php.

There is a 10+1, a 20+2 and 30+3 (combined), and a 50+5 in the works. It will be mostly substantive HHs and a venue for people to contact each other to trade HHs.

The study groups are invisible, so PM myself or stupidsucker to open them up.

Peace.

Note: this is by NO means a substitute for any 2+2 discussion...it's just a place where 20-30 people can post HHs every week and trade HH without clogging up the STT forum here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Whoops, try it without the period:

http://www.suckerpoker.com/phpbb2/

If there's still room I'm definately interested as well. 4 tabling the 22's mostly, 24% roi over the last 2 months (only 500 so far). Used to 2 table the 33's with good success after 500 or so but moved down after I took out a big chunk of my br to buy some neat stuff and take a break from poker for a while. Sent you a pm as well.