Palace Station Poker?

[Kenser]

Comments on the poker room, game limits and so forth would be appreciated. I assume most players would be locals?

[Howard Burroughs]

Palace Station:

Once "The Bingo Palace". The place where the original Caro Book of Tells' Photo shoot was done. The first of the ever popular Station properties (DYK, Main Street Station is not, and never has been, a Station property).


Palace Station Poker Room:


Games;

$2-$4 Hold'em

$4-$8 Hold'em

$3-$6 O/8 with 1/2kill

Sometimes 3-6 stud/8 on weekend and such.

They recently tried a super rake special to promote stud (high only, $1 max). It was a bust. They never could sustain the game.

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What I like about playing at the Palace poker room................

1) Easy access.

2) Easy games.

3) Easy comps ( I know a lot of you big city players don't waste your time with comps; but if they're giving, I'm taking :-)

4) Talking baseball with Eric the dealer.

5) Speedy drink service and the outfits are very high on the Vegas eye candy scale.

6) The three biggest heads-up pots, I have ever won at 4-8, were all at
Palace Station. No one tilts like a Palace Station regular.


7) Cathi Wood (Binion's, Regent, Final table dealer at Party Poker Million) now works here and she is one of the best floor persons in the business IMO.



What I don't like about playing poker at Palace Station......................

1) It's in my top two list of rooms for having the most angle shooters per capita.

2) Smoke gets in your eyes.This room gets SMOKEY at times. I can handle Binion's. I can handle the El Cortez. But this room and Arizona Charlie's are a just little TOO much for these non-smoking lungs.

3) Regulars who constantly ask to see a live one's mucked river cards. Yes, Live Ones do sit down and play poker in all Vegas rooms. They don't stay for long (for the most part) if they sense a hostile environment at the table.

Those are my opinions. YMMV.

Hope I have been of some help.

Howard

[Kenser]

[Howard Burroughs]

Angle Shooter - A player who is likely to use an angle.

Angle - (n) A maneuver, usually on the border between legality and illegality, to take unfair advantage of another player.


Above from Michael Wiesenberg's glossary in "Free Money".



Also from the "Free Money" main text........


"An angle shooter is a player who uses various underhanded, unfair methods to take advantage of inexperienced opponents. The difference between an angle shooter and a cheat is only a matter of degree."


Hope that helps.

Howard

[Kenser]

[Howard Burroughs]

When the smoke clears, two players are left standing in a big pot on the river. One flopped four aces. The other a flush draw (drawing dead).

The 4 aces comes out betting, the busted flush draw raises (as a bluff). The dealer does not announce the raise. Thinking he was just called (& not raised), the player wih 4 aces tables his hand face up but in a forward motion. The cards fly a little too far and touch the muck (though still face up). The busted flush starts screaming that the 4 aces are dead and demands a floor ruling.

Some people feel that something like that is just business as usual. I think it's an angle shot.
I could give a lot more examples but that's just off the top of my head.

Angle shots happen at all card rooms. It's just that at a few rooms , the regulars seem to want to use every trick in the book to stack a few extra chips.

It's MOST unfortunate when they take shots at players who are new to the game.

Of course, one man's angle shot, is another man's bread & butter, so what seems like an angle to me, might be perfectly fine with someone else.


Case in point:

Vince posted something he did in a tournament a while back that he later felt a little uneasy about.
I thought it was a clear, cut & dried angle shot. So did Lee Jones and Daniel Negreanu (btw, Dan did not post in that thread, we talked about the hand later).

Fossil Man & Ray Zee (and just about everyone else in the thread), thought there was nothing wrong with what Vince did. I have the highest respect for Fossil Man & Zee so it just goes to show; sometimes an angle is in the eye of the beholder.

BTW, Vince's situation was something like....him and another player were all-in, in a no-limit tournament. The other player (who had Vince beaten badly) turned his cards over for a second before remembering that a hand can be ruled dead in that situation (there may of been another player in the pot who had one chip left or such also). The player who exposed his cards for a second said, "what happens now?" Or words to that effect. Vince says (seeing he is badly beaten and about to be sent to the rail), "I think your hand is dead!" And demands a ruling. The whole table is upset with Vince, most at the table feel he is taking a shot (angle shot). They all have to wait, and wait..for the floor to show up several minutes later.

The floor ruled against Vince, btw.
To his credit, he felt uneasy about the whole thing and posted the situation for feedback.

Best of Luck

Howard

[Cooling Heels]

I think some of the angle players moved over to
Palace Station when Harrahs closed their room.

The most blatant angle players I've ever seen
are found at the Horseshoe in Tunica. A frequent
play on the river in stud: A player bets, most
fold, action comes to a local with one more player
to act. The local grabs some chips, moves them
over the table to the betting position but doesn't
drop the chips. As the yahoo goes through this charade
his eyes are on the one remaining player. If this guy
begins to muck, angle shooter drops his chips. If
the guy is grabbing chips, angle shooter pulls back
his bet and folds.

Shouldn't be allowed, but goes in the 1/5 stud games.
On the other hand, once you spot the scam you can
try to get a seat to his left and play games with his
angle shooting for entertainment value. After all,
low stakes poker should be fun....

[Fitz]

One of the most blatant and funniest angle shoot I've ever seen was at the Station Casino in Kansas City. A maniac straddles; I look down to see pocket jacks; we cap before the flop, and we see the flop 3 handed, me the maniac and his girlfriend. The flop comes queen high the maniac leads out, and the his gf and I both call. The turn pairs the bottom card on the board, and here comes the maniac again. I raise his turn bet, and I could tell by his reaction he didn't have anything. The river was a blank it, and it goes bet, call, call. The maniac is slow to table his hand, so we wait; after a short pause, he throws down his cards face up, and says, "I've got trips."; the girlfriend is next in line to act; she hesitates, and she then mucks her hand. I've still got my cards in my paw, and I'm not quite ready to release. I take a closer look at his hand, and see he doesn't have trips; he has mistaken a 5 for a 6. I table my jacks face up, and the dealer is just about to push me a huge pot as the explosion comes from the other end of the table, from the girlfriend, when he miscalled his hand, she mucked a queen that would have been good! I'm sure he was trying to shuck and jive me, but he ended up putting a move on his own girlfriend. She came completely unglued, and almost had to be restrained. I almost felt sorry for the guy having to go home with her after that.. lol

My best advice regarding angle shooters is be wary; protect your hand at all times , and when in doubt, look to the dealer for the action, and if the hand is over, table your hand face up right in front of you, and make the dealer read both hands.

If there is a dispute, don't be afraid to tell your story and stick to your guns. A lot of what people who do that stuff are counting on is that new players will be intimidated, and they can run over them. Once they find out you aren't an easy mark, they will probably try their BS on somebody else.


Good luck,

[Mason Malmuth]

Angle shooting should not be tolerated. If a particular player is a regular at it, I recommend that you speak to the management to get it stopped. If that doesn't work, don't be afraid to speak up at the table and embarrass the guilty party.

Best wishes,
Mason

[John Ho]

It's easy for Vince to feel "uneasy" about the incident after it's over but let's face it - it was an angle shot and he knew it when he asked for the ruling.