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plaster8
07-08-2005, 07:12 PM
The most important thing to take away from this long and probably boring trip report: GO TO THE WSOP NEXT YEAR. Even if you're not in the main event. Even if you don't have a ton of money to gamble with. It's a blast just hanging around in the room and playing some of the single-table satellites -- and it can be profitable, too.

As I told a friend, it's the most glorious poker orgy I've ever seen.

Anyway, we stayed at the Monte Carlo. Room was fine, although there were a bunch of hairs all over the place (sink, toilet, tub) when we got there, so they cleaned it up and gave us a $50 restaurant comp.

I really enjoyed the MC's on-site brewpub. The beers were good and the food was OK. It's a little pricey at $4.50 a beer (especially since you can get them for free when you're gambling), but the only real drawback I noticed is that they play the music too loud at night. I don't mind loud music if I'm there to listen to music, but when I want to talk to friends at a brewpub and I have to shout, it's a bit much.

Saturday
Checked out the Monte Carlo poker room, which was small but nice. The staff was friendly and I generally liked the dealers. I only played 2-4 and 3-6 and found that the players were mostly either brand-new to casino poker or old Vegas rocks. The MC does high-hand jackpots for quads or better. Thank God. I didn't do well at the 2-4 or the 3-6, but hit quad 3s for $430. They also spread 4-8 and a 1-2 NL with $100 min buyin and $200 max.

Saturday night we had dinner at Commander's Palace at the Aladdin. I cannot recommend this place highly enough. Creole food at its finest. The service is spectacular and the food is incredible. Be prepared to spend about $150 for two people (with appetizers, drinks and tip), but it's worth it. My wife had turtle soup and loved it. I had the Commander's platter, which has homemade sausage, filet mignon and something else I can't remember because the other two things were so damn good.

After dinner, we played craps at the Aladdin and Paris. I did not fare well. I must stop playing craps.

Sunday
Three words: Spice Market Buffet. We had dinner there (at the Aladdin) and it was worth every penny of the $29.99. From king crab legs to wonderful Mediterranean food, they've got a little bit of everything. Or actually, a lot of everything. I kept walking by people who were eating bread and salad and thinking, "What are you doing filling up with that? There are CRAB LEGS to be had!" Two plates -- no dessert -- and I was done. But very satisfied.

After dinner we went to the Amazing Johnathan show at the Sahara. He's a comedian/magician who has appeared on Letterman, Comedy Central, etc. I suppose it depends on what kind of humor you like, but I find him hilarious. What I did NOT find hilarious was the fact that we paid about $15 extra for Golden Circle seats, tipped the maitre'd $20 and STILL got a crappy table on the side of the stage. We couldn't even see a couple of the bits in the act because the setup of the stage blocked us. I'll be bitching to the Sahara about that -- I talked to the Amazing Johnathan's manager after the show, and he offered us a comp to the next night's show, but I didn't want to go back again after having just seen the show (and heard the parts we couldn't see). I just think it's crappy that I paid more for premium seats and then got stuck with worse seats than people who paid less. But enough bitching.

After the show we took the monorail over to Harrah's and walked to the Wynn. Wow. What a place. I won't go into detail because it's been done here already, but it's pretty amazing. Very similar to the Bellagio, though, I thought.

Tuesday
After my wife flew home in the morning, I headed over to the Rio to check out the WSOP satellites. The room is huge, and the amount of activity was staggering. I can only imagine what it's like now, during the main event. But I was very pleased to find out that they do all kinds of satellites -- not just the $225 supers and $1,000 single-tables.

Before I even really knew what was going on (these smaller satellites aren't scheduled; they're SNGs, so there's no master listing or anything), I sat down at a $125 10-person satellite. The winner of the $125s gets two $500 tournament entry chips and $120 in cash. The chips can be used to enter other satelittle or bracelet events, or they can be sold quite easily at face value to others who are entering events.

I played very tight for the first half-hour or so; I was nervous and I'm sure it showed. But I held on and made it to heads-up, then cut a deal with the guy (we were about even in chips): We each would get a $500 chip and play for the $120 in cash. About 10 minutes later, I had the $120 and a $500 chip, which I promptly sold. I was thrilled.

I then played in two $50 SNGs. These have two winners -- the last two standing each get a $200 voucher to one of the super satellites and $25 in cash. At least, I think that's what they get. I sucked in both of these and didn't finish higher than sixth.

I stopped playing for the day after this and instead checked out the WSOP store. There was some decent stuff and the prices seemed pretty reasonable to me.

Wednesday
Played in three $65 SNGs. The winner gets a $500 chip plus $70 in cash. In the first one, a guy was down to his last T200 and was all-in in the big blind. The small blind, who was the chip leader by a long shot, folded rather than calling the extra $100, keeping the all-in guy alive. That looks like a big mistake now, as four suckouts later, the all-in guy was about even in chips with him. A few hands later, the former leader was out. After I got heads-up with the all-in guy, I made an idiot play, pushing with ace-high on a queen-high flop. He called immediately, showed a queen and had me outchipped 7-to-1. He was so thrilled to be in the lead that I made him an offer: "Hey, why don't you give me my money back and you can have the $500 chip?" I was stunned when he accepted, but I think he had sucked out so many times that he knew I could pull the same comeback if I got lucky. I was very happy to get my $65 back.

After blowing my second $65 of the day, I finally made some money on my third one -- though it required some suckouts on my part. With three players left and me on the short stack, I pushed with A-4, got called by A-10 and survived when the board double-paired for a very lucky chop. I was able to make the final two, and we cut a deal where we each were guaranteed $125 and played for the rest, which I won.

Finally, I played in one more $125 tourney and finished third.

Also on Wednesday, they opened the "World Series of Poker Lifestyles Show" which is like a big poker convention. It was pretty cool, and they gave out a ton of free stuff. Companies from Poker Stars to Bodog to guys who make dealer buttons with marijuana leaves on them had booths, and it was cool to just walk around. Full Tilt had Jesus signing autographs, and Doyle's Room had Doyle signing. I won a hardcover, signed copy of Super System 2. That was nice.

Well, I've probably already bored everyone to death, but to say it again, it's worth going to the World Series even if you aren't a high roller and even if you don't already have a seat to play in the main event. The atmosphere is great, I met some cool people and had a great time playing in the little satellites. It's almost like an amusement park ride: You get done with a $65 satellite, you get up from the table and go get back in line for another one. It's a hell of a lot of fun. And you can, of course, still win your way into the main event.

Well, that's it for me. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.

jrforman
07-09-2005, 12:30 AM
I think I am the only one who made it to the end...

toss
07-09-2005, 01:16 AM
Nope, nice little read.

jdaddy
07-09-2005, 01:40 AM
All that and not a single bad beat story. I for one liked your post.

KenProspero
07-09-2005, 01:51 AM
Was going to start a new thread -- but this one will do nicely.

Was also in Vegas from 7/3 through 7/8.

I'll limit this to a description of Poker Rooms and Games, I played when I was there.

(To start -- I'm a beginner (ok, well, advanced beginner, who usually plays small stakes, so take this for what it's worth.)

Mandalay Bay

Three games are spread regularly -- 2/4 limit, 4/8 limit and a $200 buy-in NL game.

The 2/4 game was mostly beginners -- very few Vegas Rocks. Very beatable. It's a single blind game (I didn't think there were any of these left). I think I walked away a winner every time, except for once when a drunk player who played every hand sucked out on me about a billion times -- but that's poker (actually, the laughs I had at this particular table were worth the few dollars I lost). Rake is 10% up to $4, with a buck out of pots over $20 for bonuses.

The 4/8 -- two blinds here, BUT, they're only $1 and $2 blinds. Also the game has a half-kill. I played here a few times, sometimes with a lot of Locals, which makes for a VERY Tight game, ugh. Others with a more mixed crowd. It's easily two notches above the 2/4 game, but not three.

NL -- only played this once for about an hour before I took a beat (can't even say bad beat) from a maniac at the table. General observation -- nothing special about this game. Each time I looked at the game there seemed to be at least one player with a monster stack. Stay out of his or her way and you should be fine.

Morning Tourney -- $30 buy in, no add on no rebuy. Limited to 30 players. Top 5 get paid. First hour is Limit, then NL from there. Everyone had played before, no one was great, cheap game, and fun if you want to waste some time. Made the final table both times, in the money once. Final table competitive for an advanced beginner, a good player would probably crush this game.

Luxor

1/2 Limit -- Yes, I did say 1/2. Probably the cheapest game in he strip. Single Blind. To be fair, they only run this game immediately following their 'lesson' and feed their beginners into it, so it's actually a pretty nice thing to do. I played this because all other games were full while waiting for a NL seat to open up.

$50 NL

Three Blind Game -- 1, 1, 2. Though it's a $50 buy in, you can rebuy anytime your stack is below $50, so with a quick tip to the dealer, you can wind up with $99 in front at the beginning. Luxor considers this their 'big game' (i.e., the one they don't think it's fair to put the newbies into), so it plays a bit tougher than you'd expect from the buy-in structure. Consider it to be on a par with a soft $100 buy-in game.

Alladin

Only played here for a few hours, so his may not be representative.

First, a comment, I really didn't like the dealers here. At the 3/6 table, the dealers almost miscalled hands two or three times (in three hours). I corrected them, which probably cost me 'action' since I was viewed as the experienced player at the table.

3/6 -- I only played once for a few hours, but if my experience was indicative, money is to be made here. Several players who clearly had never played at a casino before. One or two on-line players who played a nice game. Everyone very courteous. Fun table, but soft.

$200 NL -- I confess, this is the worst experience I had this week (experience wise, not monetarily). I got sat at their 'main' table, there were several off-duty dealers there (who were apparantly encouraged to play to fill the table). Basically, they were throwing chips around, playing very loosely, BS-ing with their buddies, etc. I felt very much like the outsider in a home game, and didn't feel comfortable with the table, so left. (Not a 'sour grapes' story, since I won a few bucks here.)

plaster8
07-09-2005, 03:17 AM
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Nope, nice little read.

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Thanks. I wasn't expecting a ton of responses, but when I didn't see ANY for a while, I figured maybe I had written too much.

plaster8
07-09-2005, 03:22 AM
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The 2/4 game was mostly beginners -- very few Vegas Rocks. Very beatable. It's a single blind game (I didn't think there were any of these left).

The 4/8 -- two blinds here, BUT, they're only $1 and $2 blinds. Also the game has a half-kill.

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This sounds like the exact same setup as the Monte Carlo. $2-4 is a one-blind game, and though I never played the $4-8, the dealer said the blinds were 1 and 2. I don't really get that -- shouldn't $4-8 blinds be at least as expensive as $3-6 blinds? Perhaps someone can explain.

Nice report, Ken.

Photoc
07-09-2005, 03:41 AM
To the OP, very nice report!

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$200 NL -- I confess, this is the worst experience I had this week (experience wise, not monetarily). I got sat at their 'main' table, there were several off-duty dealers there (who were apparantly encouraged to play to fill the table). Basically, they were throwing chips around, playing very loosely, BS-ing with their buddies, etc. I felt very much like the outsider in a home game, and didn't feel comfortable with the table, so left. (Not a 'sour grapes' story, since I won a few bucks here.)


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First off, get over it. This is normal in Vegas as sometimes there are a lot more dealers than necessary right now because of the world series. Whether you're at MGM, Mirage, or wherever. Dealers are great for action!

Second, you're saying you didnt' like a very weak loose table where no one is paying attention to other players because they are all bs'ing? That's a sick good game bro...

Al_Capone_Junior
07-09-2005, 03:48 AM
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I got sat at their 'main' table, there were several off-duty dealers there (who were apparantly encouraged to play to fill the table). Basically, they were throwing chips around, playing very loosely, BS-ing with their buddies, etc. I felt very much like the outsider in a home game, and didn't feel comfortable with the table, so left.

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#1 there is no "main game" at the aladdin, EVER

#2, why would you NOT want to be at a game with off-duty dealers (typically FISH) who are throwing chips around, playing loosely, BS-ing with their buddies, etc? I suggest you think about game selection and try to improve on this area in the future, either that or lighten up already. Sounds like a great game to me.

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KenProspero
07-09-2005, 01:09 PM
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First off, get over it. This is normal in Vegas as sometimes there are a lot more dealers than necessary right now because of the world series. Whether you're at MGM, Mirage, or wherever. Dealers are great for action!

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Hey, no need for the flame -- I was "over it" immediately. I wasn't enjoying the game, so I left the table. Period.

As for dealers being great for the action -- I agree. There were dealers at a lot of the tables I was playing at, and I had no problems.

Other than the fact that I didn't like this particular game for me (and I've already told you my solution), I really have no problems with anything going on.

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Second, you're saying you didnt' like a very weak loose table where no one is paying attention to other players because they are all bs'ing? That's a sick good game bro...

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I love a loose game when there are strangers. When I see a bunch of 'friends' who are playing together and they turn it into a loose game, I get concerned. (Before anyone says anything, I am NOT suggesting there was any collusion in this game at all). When, as in this case I had strong suspicions that at least three of the players, were better players than I am, I don't like the game at all.

Again, not a big deal here, Just was uncomfortable with the game, and in Vegas, there's always another one.

nolanfan34
07-09-2005, 02:40 PM
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Nope, nice little read.

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Thanks. I wasn't expecting a ton of responses, but when I didn't see ANY for a while, I figured maybe I had written too much.

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No, I read it as well, just didn't have time to respond right away. Good report! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I wish I had played some of the WSOP SNGs. Did you feel like the blind structure went up too quickly?

plaster8
07-09-2005, 03:50 PM
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I wish I had played some of the WSOP SNGs. Did you feel like the blind structure went up too quickly?

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The blinds went up every 15 minutes, which can turn it into a crapshoot pretty quickly, but I didn't mind. Anything longer probably would have gummed everything up, and the lines were already long for some of the satellites.

That said, you got 1000 in chips for the $125s and 800 for the $65s, and the blinds started at 25-25 before going up to 25-50. So you had a good half-hour of play to see some cheap flops while trying to build a stack. All in all, I thought they worked pretty well.

I was at one table, though, where we were 10-handed until halfway through the 200-400 level. The dealer, who was dead tired after working 14 hours the day before and getting four hours of sleep, just kept looking at us and shaking his head.

The other thing I liked about the satellites is that they were all cheap enough that the games were pretty friendly. It wasn't high-pressure stuff, even though we all wanted to win. Everybody was having a good time, except for the occasional table coach who thought he was the "pro" even though he was playing the lowly $65 satellites. I found them amusing.

Isura
07-09-2005, 04:09 PM
Thanks for the report. Are there any other SNGs outside the WSOP ones? I'd like to find some with decent structures below the $200 limit.

plaster8
07-09-2005, 04:22 PM
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Thanks for the report. Are there any other SNGs outside the WSOP ones? I'd like to find some with decent structures below the $200 limit.

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I don't know about that. Someone in another thread mentioned SNGs at the Aladdin, I think.

GreywolfNYC
07-09-2005, 05:44 PM
Nice report. Sounds like you had a ball. Good job. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

MicroBob
07-09-2005, 06:17 PM
The Palms (just down the street from the Rio) is running a bunch of MTT's and also keeps starting up $125 SNG's (pays top 3 spots).
I imagine they are pretty soft.


I played a bunch of the single-table sat's from $125 to $225 at the Rio (also one $65 and one $325).

Since deals were so common there I looked at it as 'top 2 make the money'.
I made the money in 4 of my last 5 there....and I believe I was something like 7 for 12 overall.

Yes, there is quite a bit of luck involved in these almost-turbo style SNG's. But the play can be SO bad that they are easily beatable if you are comfortable blowing a few buy-in's while waiting for variance to catch up.

They were incredibly soft.


Also - am I reading the OP's 'deal' correctly?
He was down 7 to 1 in chips....the other guy gave him his $65 back in exchange for the $500 chip?
This is a bad deal for the original poster isn't it? (although not by a terrible amount).
I would certainly take this deal if I was in the other guy's shoes.
And if I was down by that many chips I would offer to let him have the chip if he gave me $150. There's a reasonable chance he would accept that deal.


My first single-table there was a $125. So the total pay-out to the winner is $1120.
We're down to 3-handed....big-stack guy probably has a little more than the other 2 of us combined.
Other short-stack asks if we're interested in taking a $200 save.
Big stack doesn't even know what that means and short-stack explains that whoever wins will give the other two $200 each...so we are essentially 'locking in a win' for each of us and are still playing for the remaining $520.

Much to my surprise, the big-stack doesn't realize what a bad deal that is for him and he accepts!!

So the two short-stacks (me included) got $200 back AND still got to play for $520.

I was heads-up with him and was making a comeback but my pocket 10's all-in lost to his 86s when he caught 2-pair. Oh well...at least I got $200 out of it.


Anyway - I'm not seeing why getting the $65 back is so bad for the other guy to accept.


Nice report...accept I don't agree that they were ALL light-hearted due to the low buy-in. Most of them were pretty cool...but there were some really serious pricks in some of these including some near fights breaking out. These happened on Thurs or Fri night while people were drinking naturally....but it almost was scary how stupidly serious and belligerent some of the players could get.
These idiots were the exception though...thankfully.

plaster8
07-09-2005, 06:34 PM
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Also - am I reading the OP's 'deal' correctly?
He was down 7 to 1 in chips....the other guy gave him his $65 back in exchange for the $500 chip? This is a bad deal for the original poster isn't it? (although not by a terrible amount).
I would certainly take this deal if I was in the other guy's shoes.

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Maybe it wasn't such a great deal for me. But down by that many chips, I was happy to get something out of it. I'm not very experienced at deal-making in tournaments. Now I'm pissed, though, that I didn't aim higher with my offer.
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Nice report...accept I don't agree that they were ALL light-hearted due to the low buy-in. Most of them were pretty cool...but there were some really serious pricks in some of these including some near fights breaking out. These happened on Thurs or Fri night while people were drinking naturally....but it almost was scary how stupidly serious and belligerent some of the players could get.
These idiots were the exception though...thankfully.

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I'm glad I missed out on the idiots. I'm sure there were some when I was there Tuesday and Wednesday, but the vast majority of the people I played with in these tourneys were very cool.

And I cashed in only 2 of 7 of the SNGs, unless you count the one where I got my money back, so nice work at going 7 for 12, Bob. That's great.

MicroBob
07-09-2005, 07:47 PM
I got REALLY freaking lucky on these.

Although I would count the $65 you made as actually 'cashing'.

I counted my first one as a 'cash' even though it was $125 to play and I only got $200 back. I was happy though. Victory in my first ever WSOP 'event'!!


I'm not very experienced at deal-making either and made kind of a lousy deal in one of mine so I know of where you speak.


After that first save for $200 I decided that if you are persistent and/or stubborn you can gain EV with proper deal-making.
You're already losing EV on the entry-fee as well as the obligation to tip.....so if I can make up that EV by accepting a favorable deal and turning down a lousy one then I'm pretty happy.

Deals are VERY important as it turns out and I'm still learning.


The rebuy tourney I have played twice in Tunica gets kind of weird sometimes.

I finished 9th out of 70 my first time playing a couple weeks ago.
I left but later bumped into some rail-birder a couple hours later who recognized me from the final-table and told me of the deal they made.

He was incredulous...the big-stack guy (who had the big-stack when I busted) probably had the other 3 players remaining out-chipped even if you combined all their chips.
3 short-stacks...and one REALLY big stack.

And they agreed to an EVEN 4-way deal!!
That big-stack guy lost a ton of money there. Incredible.

First place was supposed to pay $2400 I believe. 2nd place $1400 maybe?? 3rd and 4th were probably $950 and $700 I guess.
Sounds like they probably each got $1.3k or so.
I mean....just a truly awful deal that the big-stack agreed to.


As for my run of luck (both good and bad):
i was playing a $225 and am all-in with A9 I believe.
Get called by KT.
Flop has AA3

runner-runner QJ though makes his straight.
Amazing.

And I'm down to only 2 chips now after posting the small blind.

I double-up somehow with 53o against the BB's A4.
Then double-up again with something like 98s.
Then get to wait a little...and find a spot to double-up yet again.
I come all the way back from 2 measly chips and a 53o forced all-in to split the whole thing (we were dead-even in chips when we got to heads-up).
That's $1060 for each of us which is a nice little miracle I pulled off.


I don't claim to be an amazing single-table tourney player. I'm decent and I had a nice damn streak to win money in 7 of 12. but the players really were pretty damn soft/drunk much of the time.


Played in one where an older guy was complaining that it was just too freaking cold in there so he went all-in to try to get knocked out (it took him a couple tries).

Another hand I posted earlier from a $225:
9-handed, 2nd level I think (but maybe the first):

EP raises 2x (I was thinking he was kinda tight...just because he looked like it to me)...2 cold-callers...button pushes all-in...EP calls...2 MP guys fold.


EP has KJo against button's pair of 9's.
The 9's hold-up (and she winds up splitting the win with me in the end).
It was just getting progressively worse throughout the hand I guess.
-- Raising with KJo is pretty bad
(he still had his starting stack),
-- pushing with 9's was probably a bit worse
(since it's a guy who hadn't played a hand yet raising the min from EP plus the 2 cold-callers that were still in of course),
-- and then him calling the all-in with KJo is just ridiculous.

Soft, Softer, Softest!!
Welcome to the WSOP single-table SAT's.

Isura
07-09-2005, 09:58 PM
Thanks Bob. I'll definitely check out the Palms.