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Maulik
07-08-2005, 11:45 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($117.35)
MP2 ($99.75)
MP3 ($99.5)
CO ($139)
Button ($46.45)
Hero ($93.5)
BB ($262.25)
UTG ($90.5)
UTG+1 ($63.85)
UTG+2 ($98.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $6.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($32) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button raises allin $31.xx</font>Hero folds.

Final Pot: $32

Mike Peters
07-08-2005, 11:52 AM
I fold this. He came over top of you preflop and indicated he had a pretty strong holding. I can't think of too many hands the villian might have that you're ahead of post flop.

Also, If you're not going to fold when an ace hits on the flop, why not get it all in preflop?

edit: clarified first statement

jkkkk
07-08-2005, 11:56 AM
Raise more pre-flop, make it $12.

Check-fold flop.

fuzzbox
07-08-2005, 11:56 AM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($117.35)
MP2 ($99.75)
MP3 ($99.5)
CO ($139)
Button ($46.45)
Hero ($93.5)
BB ($262.25)
UTG ($90.5)
UTG+1 ($63.85)
UTG+2 ($98.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $6.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($32) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button raises allin $31.xx</font>Hero folds.

Final Pot: $32

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Why the minreraise preflop (again).

TreyOfLight
07-08-2005, 12:02 PM
Push preflop.

Spladle Master
07-08-2005, 12:04 PM
Suck less at poker.

Maulik
07-08-2005, 12:21 PM
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Suck less at poker.

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you're post is very insightful, i'll try.

amoeba
07-08-2005, 12:26 PM
if you don't put him all in preflop then its because you want to get away should an A or K flop thus you must fold this flop.

I would have put him all in preflop though. hes not going to fold.

Maulik
07-08-2005, 12:32 PM
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if you don't put him all in preflop then its because you want to get away should an A or K flop thus you must fold this flop.

I would have put him all in preflop though. hes not going to fold.

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is this put him allin preflop because he's got a small stacksize?

swolfe
07-08-2005, 12:48 PM
your min-reraise preflop is retarded

without a good read you ought to fold to his preflop 3-bet

amoeba
07-08-2005, 12:48 PM
once somebody 3 bets, you put them on a a range. because he is shortstacked, he is likely to have a wider range than a fullstack. If I thought however, that he is tight enough to only have AA/KK here, I fold. if I thought he has AA-jj, ak, I can call and push on a non A/k flop.

The advantage of putting him in is if he is aggressive, then should an A or K flop, he pushes anyways with JJ and you fold best hand.

but basically once he 3 bets, with $30 left, he isn't folding what he has and if I feel I have best hand, I want to get it in now.