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bluewilde

07-08-2005, 11:09 AM

Don't mean to crowd the boards with simple hands, but this felt shaky. 3rd hand of a party 11. Caller hasn't shown down a hand, but I'm thinking "hey...2 hands and he's down to 580, probably a bit weak/loose." So just the mechanincs are my question: pre-flop raise, and pot sized flop bet. Thanks

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t980)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
Hero (t790)
CO (t1050)
Button (t680)
SB (t580)
BB (t695)
UTG (t825)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, SB calls t80, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: (t225) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t225, SB raises to t490 (All-In), Hero calls t265.

Turn: (t1205) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1205) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1205

I'd still call if this guy had a bigger stack/hadn't been so reckless, right?

zambonidrivr

07-08-2005, 11:12 AM

villian takes the pot with KJ off. welcome to the 10's.

raise more preflop

junkmail3

07-08-2005, 11:12 AM

Call. Yes. He may have you beat, but there are a lot of draws out there that he could be playing.

And seeing how this is a 10+1, he could also have A9.

junkmail3

07-08-2005, 11:13 AM

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raise more preflop

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Preflop raise is fine.

Phill S

07-08-2005, 11:16 AM

Dont judge a player by stack size.

As for the hand, i see nothing wrong here. If he has you, so be it - youll see A9, TT-QQ far too often to fold, even if you have an inkling he has flopped big.

Yes, if he has a bigger stack, i play this. Id need a damn solid read to be laying down here, and i dont think i have any notes that are that are so solid on anyone ive met for me to be able to lay it down.

Again, if he has you beat, them are the cuts, cant win em all.

Phill

citanul

07-08-2005, 11:17 AM

you played this hand pretty perfectly.

bluewilde

07-08-2005, 11:21 AM

Yeah...he turned over 66, for some reason I was really thinking he had tripped. But yeah...no ugly beats =). Thanks guys.

adanthar

07-08-2005, 11:26 AM

I had a hand a couple of days ago that went kinda like this: In level 1, I raise PF with QQ, BB calls. He checks and I bet 2/3 the pot on the T86 flop; he calls. I bet 2/3 again on the blank turn, he CR's all in, I call and he turns over Q7o.

$109's, people.

tminus

07-08-2005, 12:37 PM

oh man, i see where this is going...

i think you're point about knowing nothing about him expect hwo he already blew 25% of his chips is excellent, people can get tilty real fast (me inlcuded)

looks like a healthy preflop raise and im calling the reraise with KK...but not AK

so what did he have 7's or 9's ?

nova

07-08-2005, 12:45 PM

I like the raise preflop, you figure it's a real healthy raise from MP so they have to figure it. With a flop of low cards and rainbow, I call this every time. Well played on your part

bluewilde

07-08-2005, 12:45 PM

Actually didn't trip, but you're close: 6s.

Edit:

Actually, now that I think about it, don't know how I could have folded. My pot-sized bet probably looks like a "dam my AK missed" bet, and if he had trips he'd probably call and let me bet some more. This good reasoning?

Phill S

07-08-2005, 12:54 PM

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Actually didn't trip, but you're close: 6s.

Edit:

Actually, now that I think about it, don't know how I could have folded. My pot-sized bet probably looks like a "dam my AK missed" bet, and if he had trips he'd probably call and let me bet some more. This good reasoning?

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I didnt want to get into it too deeply, it doesnt require deep thought.

However if i were to think through the hand, this is a likely explanation of what went through his head. As soon as he raises your committed any which way you look at it.

Oh, and bet less than the pot with no flush draws and unlikely straight draws. 2/3 pot is perfect size.

Phill

hobbes9324

07-08-2005, 01:07 PM

You played it fine - I wouldn't be so concerned at this level of play about what your donk was thinking - it's more likely that he wasn't thinking at all - it's a vegetable garden out there......