Anybody else do this? (semi-poker content)

[fimbulwinter]

every time i make a preflop raise, speculative or legit, online or live, in LP (CO, MP2 or 3) i look left and pray for those between me and the button to fold. if they clear out I know it will be a good hand.

fim

[Malachii]

No, but if you enjoy the challenge of playing hands out of position, more power to you.

[fimbulwinter]

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No, but if you enjoy the challenge of playing hands out of position, more power to you.

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wha wha?

[Malachii]

I'm assuming you're also praying for the button to call you. I thought that's what you were implying in your op.

[fimbulwinter]

serious question: are you a native speaker of english?

i ask that because i think my post makes it fairly clear that i want everyone who has position on me to fold and everyone i have position on to call, no?

fim

[Malachii]

"i look left and pray for those between me and the button to fold. "

Yes, I am a native speaker. And if you're hoping to be in position throughout the hand, then I think anyone would agree with you.

[BZ_Zorro]

Nope, I like playing hands OOP. Your raises and bets get far more respect. You can also pull moves like check raises or bet-push with good hands. Much more interesting.

Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

{edit} make that online small stakes no limit. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[fuzzbox]

Oh god yes - and I hope they dont smell the fear.

[soah]

Wow.

[fimbulwinter]

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Nope, I like playing hands OOP. Your raises and bets get far more respect. You can also pull moves like check raises or bet-push with good hands. Much more interesting.

Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

{edit} make that online small stakes no limit. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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wow this is not a response i expected to hear. interesting.

this however:

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Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

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is massively wrong.

fim

[pilamsolo]

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Wow.

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-Solo

[DoomSlice]

When you say "between", you probably should specify whether or not that between is inclusive.

[wtfsvi]

I wouldn't say I pray, but I certainly hope. At least when I don't hold AA (then I'm praying for a raise obviously, but I think I'll take a call over a fold too).

Unless button is the "Call with any two preflop and fold the flop if he doesn't hit top pair or a reasonable draw.-type" I love those people.

[xorbie]

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Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

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See, I used to think I understood position. Being LAG that I was, I just hated having to check because it "shows weakness." I liked when others checked, because I got to bet and they were more likely to fold. But really a lot of that is solved with some liberal check raising. There's much more to position, and it's really important in any hand you want to take to showdown. OOP, you simply cannot control the price for the next card, the price to see showdown or pot size nearly as well as you can, which means you end up paying others off more often and getting paid off less often on any hand that does go to showdown.

[jkkkk]

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every time i make a preflop raise, speculative or legit, online or live, in LP (CO, MP2 or 3) i look left and pray for those between me and the button to fold. if they clear out I know it will be a good hand.

fim

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Definitely, especially since i'm playing a lot of weak-tights lately, stealing flops is essential.

[amoeba]

yup.

but I don't raise nearly as often as you do in mp2, or mp3.

[Voltron87]

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Nope, I like playing hands OOP. Your raises and bets get far more respect. You can also pull moves like check raises or bet-push with good hands. Much more interesting.

Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

{edit} make that online small stakes no limit. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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that is just awful

[NYCNative]

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Nope, I like playing hands OOP. Your raises and bets get far more respect. You can also pull moves like check raises or bet-push with good hands. Much more interesting.

Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

{edit} make that online small stakes no limit. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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wow this is not a response i expected to hear. interesting.

this however:

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Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.

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is massively wrong.

fim

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[BZ_Zorro]

Sacred cows make the best hamburger.

-Mark Twain.

[Sephus]

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Sacred cows make the best hamburger.

-Mark Twain.

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not appropriate.

[BZ_Zorro]

How is this quote not appropriate?

People fall over themselves defending a concept that is only relevant to live games, high stakes, or short handed. Probably because they read it in a book somewhere by Brunson or Sklansky and it's been drummed into their heads. It's 'cool' to chat about one of the three P's.

Having position on someone doesn't really mean that much at 10 handed small stakes. Unless you're trying to get fancy with a hand like middle pair, you can play a hand equally well and equally profitability with or without position imo. You can also steal more effectively in EP if you're willing to push a bit harder. Position is certainly nothing to make 'OMG is position good or what!' posts about.

Over 11K hands 10-handed my profit is equally spread between all positions, with a little less in the SB.

[jkkkk]

Ok I was going to leave this alone but..

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You can also steal more effectively in EP if you're willing to push a bit harder.

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You must be joking, right?

[sourbeaver]

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Position is everything in limit and tournaments, in NL I think it is massively overrated.


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God just killed a kitten. Are you happy now ?

[BZ_Zorro]

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God just killed a kitten. Are you happy now ?

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Yeah. It was a dumb thread and I was bored. Sue me.