JJ when an overcard and the fd hits the flop

[hemstock]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP1 posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 (poster) calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero folds.

Q1: Should I have 3-bet the flop? Is there any value to it or am I out of position since the Button acts after me?

Q2: Do you agree with the fold on the turn? Even if a jack hits im still not sure if i beat him. Or can i put my self on a flush draw and call?

[istewart]

Call both the flop and the turn. You're probably behind on the flop but you can peel. You have a flush draw on the turn dude.

[Jaran]

I wouldn't have 3bet the flop, and I would have called the turn. Not sure about the turn call being correct, though. But the pot is big.

-Jaran

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
I wouldn't have 3bet the flop, and I would have called the turn. Not sure about the turn call being correct, though. But the pot is big.

-Jaran

[/ QUOTE ]

he does have the 3rd nut flush draw on the turn, getting 12/1 is enough

but yeah the flop3bet is bad

[aK13]

Peel the flop to the raise. 3bet = spew. Turn fold = /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[jaxUp]

I think by now you've figured out the turn bet is bad. Here's a little math to back it up:

You make the flush 19.6% of the time (9/46).
You will win with that flush 50% of the time (probably a conservative estimate)
You lose 1 BB when you miss
You lose 2.5 BB when you hit and lose
you win 15 BB when you hit and win

(-1*.84) + (-2.5* 0.098) + (15* 0.098) = 0.385.

So, every time you make this fold you lose 0.385 BB.

SOmebody yell at me if my math sucks.