gut straight + backdoor straight on flop, can i peel 1 more off?

[Maulik]

is peeling one off when he's laying me 2.5:1 ?

what are my odds of making a backdoor flush & straight?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($83.07)
BB ($74.97)
UTG ($14.88)
UTG+1 ($168.45)
UTG+2 ($93.35)
MP1 ($43.25)
Hero ($184.45)
MP3 ($96)
CO ($100.8)
Button ($46.2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1, MP3 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3, MP3 calls $3.

Flop: ($14.50) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($34.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $50</font>, CO calls $25.

River: ($134.50) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero pushes in for $37 more (edit)

Final Pot: $134.50

[xorbie]

No. With a gutshot you need about 12:1 in odds (including implied, if you think you can get his stack in) to peel one card off.

[jhall23]

Since 1)there is also a flush draw on board, 2)your gutshot is not to the nuts AND 3)you still have someone left to act after you I think it pretty -EV to call a near pot sized bet here. Also being OOP sucks as you are less likely to get a free look on the turn.

FWIW, I think I remember from SSH Ed saying that a backdoor flush was worth about 1 extra out I think if you see both cards, can't remember for sure.

[AllIn3High]

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is peeling one off when he's laying me 2.5:1 ?

what are my odds of making a backdoor flush &amp; straight?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($83.07)
BB ($74.97)
UTG ($14.88)
UTG+1 ($168.45)
UTG+2 ($93.35)
MP1 ($43.25)
Hero ($184.45)
MP3 ($96)
CO ($100.8)
Button ($46.2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1, MP3 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3, MP3 calls $3.

Flop: ($14.50) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($34.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $50</font>, CO calls $25.

River: ($134.50) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero pushes in for $37 more (edit)

Final Pot: $134.50

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* It's an open-ended straight draw, not a gut-shot..

* I'd fold pre-flop. Twice.

* Calling the flop is OK if you think he'll pay if you hit your straight.
EDIT: I didn't notice MP3. This is not the time to take one off w/ one person left to act drawing to to a non-nut straight OOP.

* Raise more on the turn.

* Odds of hitting a BD flush-draw is (10/47) * (9/46) or roughly 4%. They are almost never worth chasing in NL.

[jhall23]

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* It's an open-ended straight draw, not a gut-shot..


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I didn't really look at the board well and assumed it was a gutshot cause of the title. Didn't notice the double gutter.
Changes it some cause double gutters are so sneaky but the flush draw makes it iffy as you can only count 6 clean outs for sure.

[phuc]

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I didn't really look at the board well and assumed it was a gutshot cause of the title. Didn't notice the double gutter.
Changes it some cause double gutters are so sneaky but the flush draw makes it iffy as you can only count 6 clean outs for sure.

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It's not even a double gutter...look at the board...it's straight-up open-ended 7-8-9-T

[poboy]

What you actually have is an OESD and backdoor flush draw. I would much prefer raising over calling this flop. An even better line would have been to fold pf though. JMO

[TheWorstPlayer]

This is a good call, IMO.

[jhall23]

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I didn't really look at the board well and assumed it was a gutshot cause of the title. Didn't notice the double gutter.
Changes it some cause double gutters are so sneaky but the flush draw makes it iffy as you can only count 6 clean outs for sure.

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It's not even a double gutter...look at the board...it's straight-up open-ended 7-8-9-T

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Lol, I can't read when it's past my betime!

Also, OP due to your stack sizes I would probably just push the turn after his bet. If he has anything he'll most likely call you there as he'll be getting a decent price. A push wouldn't even be pot sized at that point.

[arod15]

Yes cause impled your getting more people tend to pay off straight draws much more than they do flush draws so id see one more. Plus if the turn brings a diamond you get even more outs so id def peel one off considering you can take his whole buy in. If he had less than 60 u def fodl there 100+ peel one off...