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joeblo

07-07-2005, 09:38 PM

This was at a 30+3 with 2 hands to go till the next level.

Everyone on the table was pretty tight except for the BB who had kept pushing with marginal hands.

I've just been running into situations like this a lot lately...I just want to knwo if the play was correct or if its a leak in my game. Thx.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP (t2290)
Button (t785)
SB (t1280)
BB (t1650)
Hero (t1995)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises to t1995 (All-In), 1 fold, Button calls t785 (All-In), SB calls t1180 (All-In), BB calls t1450 (All-In).

Flop: (t5710) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players, 4 all-in)

Turn: (t5710) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players, 4 all-in)

River: (t5710) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 4 all-in)

Final Pot: t5710
Main Pot: t3140 (t3140), between Button, SB, BB and Hero. > Pot won by SB (t3140).
Pot 2: t1485 (t1485), between SB, BB and Hero. > Pot won by SB (t1485).
Pot 3: t740 (t740), between BB and Hero. > Pot won by BB (t740).
Pot 4: t345 (t345), returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
BB has Qh Ah (high card, ace).
Hero has Jc As (high card, ace).
Button has Ac Qd (high card, ace).
SB has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins t4625. BB wins t740. Hero wins t345.

pergesu

07-07-2005, 09:46 PM

Two hands to go, so you'll only be paying t300 through the blinds. I definitely do not like pushing here. You're in good shape, basically got 10 BB, second stack...and you want to risk all of it or a huge chunk on AJ with four people to act behind you? No thanks.

joeblo

07-07-2005, 10:01 PM

Pergesu,

Thx for the input. After reading your comments, I realize that I play my cards rather then the situations in these types of scenarios. I guess I will have to work on game management a bit more. I thought playing to passively would be an open invite for the others to try to steal my blinds...but over aggression can be a pitfall too.

Any other comments or input would be greatly appreciated.

Thx guys.

pergesu

07-07-2005, 10:09 PM

If you're on the button with AJ and it passes to you, push away.

Early position is the worst invention ever.

lastchance

07-08-2005, 12:26 AM

Yeah, agreed, but AJ is a very good hand, and the people behind you are short. I think I fold as well though. No reason to push in EP with a deep enough stack instead of waiting for other people to be stupid enough to get their chips in the middle.

kamelion44

07-08-2005, 12:44 AM

Would you suggest a smaller raise, or just an open-fold?

lastchance

07-08-2005, 12:49 AM

No reason to raise small with 10x BB. Open-Fold or push, and I lean oh so slightly toward open-fold.

kamelion44

07-08-2005, 12:52 AM

Yeah I agree, but it hurts the 10-20 SH player in me...

adanthar

07-08-2005, 12:52 AM

This is a tough spot but you must at least raise here. I lean towards making it 500 and calling a push (but folding to 3 pushes, cause, well, you know.)

CaptSensible

07-08-2005, 01:38 AM

With so many big stacks in the game and being UTG it's not uncommon for me to fold this hand. Yeah, I would fold this hand based on position and the chip stacks of the other players. I can say that I DEFINITLEY would not push this hand. Your position is terrible and there are big stacks behind you.
At MOST I would throw an info bet out there and see what the others do.

joeblo

07-08-2005, 04:45 AM

Adanthar,

I was thinkign about 2.5~3x bb raise but I didn't want the BB trying to come over the top as he has been pushing a lot of hands. As I stated before, I think that after looking at this situation and other situations like this, I realize that my biggest leak is game management. I will have to learn to analyze situations like this better.

Thx everyone for the input.