A Qs-hand.

[kongo_totte]

No read on villian.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($49.25)
SB ($102.35)
BB ($47)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($80.35)
Hero ($48.75)
MP2 ($19)
MP3 ($36.8)
CO ($46)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $2.50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2.

Flop: ($8.75) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP3 calls $7, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($22.75) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($22.75) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, MP3 calls $27.30 (All-In), Hero pukes and calls or runs away with his tail between his legs?

[nathan_hicks]

You are gettin 3.5 to 1 on your money so I think you have to make the call. If he slow played a set then you have to pay him off. It sucks but I would call.

[NYCNative]

Bet the turn.
Call the river.

[kongo_totte]

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Bet the turn.


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Elaborate

[xorbie]

Turn check is good.

[NYCNative]

I don't check a turn after I bet a flop unless one of three scenarios occur:

1) My flop bet was a continuation bet on a miss that got smooth-called.

2) I am trapping because I have a monster.

3) The turn was a scare card.

If none of those apply and I still believe that I have the best hand, I am making a 1/2 to 2/3-pot sized bet.

[xorbie]

How many hands call this flop that you beat? How many beat you? And how many that you beat will call a turn bet? And how many that beat you are going to want to play a nice big pot after you bet the turn?

[kongo_totte]

I really don't see any purpose of betting the turn. All it does is building a pot with a marginal holding. Everything that beats me calls and just about everything I beat fold. There is only a gut shot to protect from. A check might look like missed overs and induce a river call from a weak ace.

[kongo_totte]

BTW, Xorbie, do you call the river?

[NYCNative]

At the levels I play, I am getting called on the flop bet with a lot of things that don't beat me. I wish that I could put villain on only hands that beat me there - it would be so much simpler.

[kongo_totte]

I agree, at Party NL50 alot of hands I beat call a flop bet. But how many hands that I beat call a flop and turn bet?

[xorbie]

Yeah, if you didn't raise PF, then maybe A7s. But really here, you are looking at AT and A9 and that's about it.

River I cry and then probably call but know I'm going to lose.

[kongo_totte]

I called, villian showed A K and of course my hand is no good.

[NYCNative]

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I called, villian showed A K and of course my hand is no good.

[/ QUOTE ]Limp-call with Slick in EP. I can't think of a worse way to play that... Limp-fold maybe?

[xorbie]

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I called, villian showed A K and of course my hand is no good.

[/ QUOTE ]Limp-call with Slick in EP. I can't think of a worse way to play that... Limp-fold maybe?

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Limp fold is significantly worse than limp call.

[NYCNative]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[xorbie]

Anytime.

Think about it though. What is AK losing to? AA and KK. And really if you see an A on the flop, you are almost always good (just one combination of AA left in the deck at that point). So a limp/call will make lesser aces raise and then bet hard on the flop.

[fimbulwinter]

well played except the river. the river bet is -EV for you since he pushes (and you must call given pot odds) every time you're behind and he just calls when you're ahead (like he has Ax).

also, in general think about how big your bets will be (within the range of about pot sized) so that you don't get stuck in these situations. $9 on the flop gives a ~27 pot with him having less than a PSB behind. this is much more likely to get called by a worse ace given your line of bet, check, bet and keeps you away from making -EV bets like the one above where you pay full when behind and half when ahead.

fim

[kongo_totte]

What about the times he holds an inferior hand (which in this case is likely) that will call a river bet but check behind if that option is given? Won't I give up EV by checking then?

[fimbulwinter]

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What about the times he holds an inferior hand (which in this case is likely) that will call a river bet but check behind if that option is given? Won't I give up EV by checking then?

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i think you may have misunderstood what i'm saying. im not saying check here, im saying push is best.

fim

[kongo_totte]

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What about the times he holds an inferior hand (which in this case is likely) that will call a river bet but check behind if that option is given? Won't I give up EV by checking then?

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i think you may have misunderstood what i'm saying. im not saying check here, im saying push is best.

fim

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That makes more sense /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Also, thanks alot for your inputs. I will surely contemplate making my bets bigger.

[MoDOH]

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Also, thanks alot for your inputs. I will surely contemplate making my bets bigger .

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That´s not what he is saying either...
You need to take into consideration how the betsize in any given street will affect the potsize and the following relation of the potsize to the villains stack.

Simply put. Start thinking about what your bets are supposed to accomplish...