Alladin S&G Warning

[MonkeeMan]

Just returned from Vegas and want to share some info.

Ths Alladin spreads $50+5 10 player S&G's on Sunday. I played in one and after paying and taking my seat (my bad, I know) asked the dealer what the payouts were. $360 for 1st and $90 for 2nd! That, my friends, is a $45+10 S&G (18% rake). /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Isura]

That's brutal. I'm staying at the Alladin next week. I hope the rake on their MTTs aren't this bad.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Yeah, the "missing" $5 actually goes to the staff, 35% to the floor and the rest to the dealer. Of course "the floor" actually means ALL the floors (including the main manager) who are full time, whether they are there or not, gone for the week on vacation, or whatever. This percentage distribution includes your tips to the dealers.

The aladdin would be better off having these as $50+$10 with $400+$100 payouts, rather than their misleading $50+$5 with $360 and $90 variety.

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The aladdin would be better off having these as $50+$10 with $400+$100 payouts, rather than their misleading $50+$5 with $360 and $90 variety.
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That is a terrible idea.
50+10 pays out 250, 150, 100 would be the same as the internet at 50%, 30% and 20%. That would be the idea payouts.

[MonkeeMan]

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That's brutal. I'm staying at the Alladin next week. I hope the rake on their MTTs aren't this bad.

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Don't know about those. I played in MTT's at the Orleans and Binions. Of the two I prefered Binion's, but that could be because I won the $100 drawing. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Be sure to walk down the strip and check out MGM. Their new poker room was outstanding. Roomy layout, good dealers, very nice tables, convienient bathrooms and food, and excellent drink service. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[MonkeeMan]

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The aladdin would be better off having these as $50+$10 with $400+$100 payouts, rather than their misleading $50+$5 with $360 and $90 variety.

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I'm just looking for truth in advertising.

They could do $50+5 and then an optional $5 for additional chips that goes to dealer tips. I'd be cool with that (and I imagine the dealers would be too).

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Ths Alladin spreads $50+5 10 player S&G's on Sunday. I played in one and after paying and taking my seat (my bad, I know) asked the dealer what the payouts were. $360 for 1st and $90 for 2nd! That, my friends, is a $45+10 S&G (18% rake).

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I just got back from Vegas. I stopped into the Aladdin on Sunday, saw the huge line of obvious idiots looking for SnG seats, and naturally asked the supervisor about payout structure. She says, "It's $360 for first and $90 for second."

I gladly point out, "Well, that would make it $45+$10, not $50+$5. You should consider changing your sign so that it's accurate?"

"No, sir, it's $50+$5 to enter the tournaments."

"No, it isn't. $50+$5 implies that $50 per player goes in the prize pool. You just told me that the prize pool only has $450 in a 10-player tournament. That means $45 per player is in the prize pool. If you're not going to be truthful about the fee on the signs, please just post '$55 buy-in' and obfuscate the juice like everyone else."

"Sir, it's $50+$5 to enter the tournaments."

And then my head exploded.

[MonkeeMan]

lol.

I will say that the game was soft (but that didn't prevent me from being bubble-boy).

[m bozeman]

I agree that the juice is pretty high, and the payout structure could be better. Paying the top 3 makes sense. Hopefully, this will open the doors for other poker rooms to implement sng's, and maybe have a bit better structure.

[mtdoak]

You should see the sit+gos in AC. The taj spreads a 50+15 S+G and a 100+20 S+G. Oh, and only first place pays.


Ouch.

[MisterKing]

I played these for several hours when I was out in Vegas in early June, and the steep juice is mostly compensated for by the horrendous play of your opponents. I didn't know that the "missing" 5% went to staff after the first one (which I won after offering a 70/30 chop) when even stacked HU, so I tipped another $20. The next three (chop, 2nd, chop), I toked a $5 at the end, expecting other "winners" to do the same -- few did.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

It should be noted that despite all the "pitfalls," SNG sunday is extremely popular. Last sunday was like all day with one 15 minute break and overtime, non-stop dealing of hold'em ring games or SNGs. More cardrooms should certainly follow suit. The stratosphere is one that has sort of followed suit, but perhaps gone one better, in that they will run a sit and go anytime that there's 10 people willing to buy-in. Their structures and juice aren't my favs, but at least they run them, when few others do.

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[BrotherT]

I was there Sunday also and played (I read the OP and still fell for it). It was the worst run tourney/room I have ever seen.

I should mention that I played a 3/6 cash game the night before at Alladin that degenerated into a magoo. The room was so full (8 full tables) at 3AM that the manager said the dealers could have all the overtime they wanted. Beers were flowing, shots all around the table and i won $275. damn fine night.

[MisterKing]

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I was there Sunday also and played (I read the OP and still fell for it). It was the worst run tourney/room I have ever seen.

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Someone deserves a solid kick in the nuts.

[PhatCasino]

all this is exactly WHY i will never set foot into the ALADDIN poker room again... until I find out the management changes - I have experienced and heard only bad things thru and thru

[MonkeeMan]

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I have experienced and heard only bad things thru and thru

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Let me name some good things:
<ul type="square"> soft game the tables are nice (built-in drink holders, chip stacking area) [/list]

[jdaddy]

Harrahs AC
Qualify for the 2006 World Series of Poker every Monday at 7pm.
$100 + $50
One in 18 participants will win a seat in the Quarterly Finals.

[MisterKing]

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Harrahs AC
Qualify for the 2006 World Series of Poker every Monday at 7pm.
$100 + $50
One in 18 participants will win a seat in the Quarterly Finals.

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50% juice!@?!?! Holy effing crap.

[jdaddy]

I kept hearing it advertised on the piped in music/promotions at Showboat. I didn't believe it until I saw it on Harrahs website. Hey, folk Harrahs Bastardizes everything in gaming that they touch.

[JimHammer]

Harrah's KC does these satellites as well, but I think it's $110 + $40. I heard the winner got $1000 to go with the entry to the WSOP.

[Isura]

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all this is exactly WHY i will never set foot into the ALADDIN poker room again... until I find out the management changes - I have experienced and heard only bad things thru and thru

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I was just there this week. I hated the MTT structure, but that goes for pretty much any low buyin multi in vegas. The 200 NL game was amazingly soft. I've never played NL cash games before (not even online), and I found the games a joke. 3/6 isn't much more difficult. And, I found the staff and dealers friendly and accommodating. They reduced the rake to $1 max when the NL game got down to 6 handed.

[Conspir8or]

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The 200 NL game was amazingly soft. I've never played NL cash games before (not even online), and I found the games a joke. ... And, I found the staff and dealers friendly and accommodating. They reduced the rake to $1 max when the NL game got down to 6 handed.

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Seconded. I played every day from the weekend onward. I am a NLHE beginner and I won at least a stack every day. I wonder if we played together? I tended to play between 11:00 a.m.-3 p.m. -- I was the size XXL white man with salt &amp; pepper hair, white at the temples, unshaven up till about Tues, who played maybe 6 flops per game. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I also agree on the dealers. Never had a floor call, maybe had two exposed cards in five or six days' worth of play.

I advise folks to skip the tourneys, come in for the NL (or the 3-6 if that's your game), and loot the bustouts.

[The_Tracker]

Yea I have went through this myself 2 or 3 weeks ago at the Aladdin. I finished second in the thing, collected my $90, left $15 for the dealers and went home. To tell you how bright I am, it wasn't until I was almost home that I had done the math and realized something was wrong.

So I call the pokerroom and ask about the juice and they say that yes, $45 to the prize pool, $5 to the dealers, $5 to the house.

I then mention that I wouldn't have tipped (here we go /images/graemlins/smirk.gif) 16% of my winnings if I had know the dealers were taken care of. He then says something to the effect that they are only making $10 bucks for the hour if we don't tip. I still wouldn't have tipped that much, and you all probably know my thoughts on the subject.

I also noticed the winner stiffed.

[flecks]

Just walk on by the poker room to the Spice Market Buffet for dinner. Holy crap. I picked up a quick $27 at the 3/6 table on Tuesday waiting for it to open at 4pm. Great buffet. Best I've had in a while.

[octop]

I would tip exactly nothing
They took out 50 for the tip which is good enough

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Guys, I work there. 5 bucks doesn't go to the dealers. About 2.30 of it does. And it's one dealer, not dealers. The rest goes to the "tournament staff" which are the floormen on duty. Honestly, I could care less to ever deal these things again. 10 minutes of setup, an hour to deal, 5 minutes of taking it down. There 3 downs of my day gone for 23 bucks + whatever I get tipped, which is usually about 15 bucks. I could make more in decent/good live games than these things.

I wouldn't even play these things because the prize structure is terrible. It's been suggested to go to $50 + 10 and payout 250, 150, 100 (500 prize pool, 50%, 30% 20%). Who knows if it will happen though.

[Kyo Souma II]

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Harrahs AC
Qualify for the 2006 World Series of Poker every Monday at 7pm.
$100 + $50
One in 18 participants will win a seat in the Quarterly Finals.

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50% juice!@?!?! Holy effing crap.

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There's probably a vig in the quarterfinal entry, too.. So 50% is a low estimate.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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The rest goes to the "tournament staff" which are the floormen on duty.

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It's also the ones OFF duty, it gets split about seven ways; most of the ones getting a cut aren't even there at all.

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Honestly, I could care less to ever deal these things again. 10 minutes of setup, an hour to deal, 5 minutes of taking it down. There 3 downs of my day gone for 23 bucks + whatever I get tipped, which is usually about 15 bucks. I could make more in decent/good live games than these things.


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Agreed. Much more in live games.

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I wouldn't even play these things because the prize structure is terrible. It's been suggested to go to $50 + 10 and payout 250, 150, 100 (500 prize pool, 50%, 30% 20%). Who knows if it will happen though.

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I have personally seconded the motion that this is the best way to go with these things, but then it's obviously not up to me. The current $50+$5 with only $450 paying out is very deceptive, and I get quite tired of explaining where the extra money goes over and over again.

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