A Qo vs. maniac.

[kongo_totte]

Villian is super LAG pre-flop raising 30% of all hands. He is aggro post-flop aswell but not super maniac. On the flop, instead of raising I'm planning on flat calling and bet if checked to on turn. Now that I pickled up a hand on the turn, I thought I would extract more by checking and inducingf a bet on the river. Anyone likes?

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SB ($77.6)
BB ($50)
UTG ($19.5)
UTG+1 ($59.2)
MP1 ($28.4)
MP2 ($11.81)
MP3 ($49.5)
CO ($22.65)
Hero ($58.2)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($6.75) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $2</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10.75) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($10.75) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $10</font>, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $30.75

[meleader2]

even though he could also have a queen i woulda reraised his horrid min raise. at worst you'll split.

[Ghazban]

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even though he could also have a queen i woulda reraised his horrid min raise. at worst you'll split.

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What worse hands do you see calling a 3bet on the river?

[meleader2]

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even though he could also have a queen i woulda reraised his horrid min raise. at worst you'll split.

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What worse hands do you see calling a 3bet on the river?

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an ace high/mid PP. no action throughout whole hand then hero bets 5$ and is min raised...you think that'd be a K or Q?

[Ghazban]

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even though he could also have a queen i woulda reraised his horrid min raise. at worst you'll split.

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What worse hands do you see calling a 3bet on the river?

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an ace high/mid PP. no action throughout whole hand then hero bets 5$ and is min raised...you think that'd be a K or Q?

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Not necessarily, however, I don't think anything but a Q will call if hero 3bets. If villain 4bets, that's probably a king, but do we want to have to call to find out? 3betting reopens the betting for hands that beat us (AA/Kx) and I don't think worse hands will call it.

[sammy_g]

if this guy is a lag, i'm suspicious that he's NOT betting. (i smell a rat.)

having said that i think you have to call the raise. looks ok to me.

[kongo_totte]

He showed K 2o and MHING.

[amoeba]

so you got a tell that he checkraises monsters on the river for $5.

still a good call.

[srm80]

Why check behind on the turn? I think if you make a 1/2 pot bet on the turn you could at least see where you were at, and not get confused when the crazy river K came out. He might have a middle pair in his hand, or A8, or nothing! I would bet the turn and check call the river, and come out ahead most of the time with your AQ. The dude's a maniac and will call all bets to the river so why not bet out on the turn and not have to face a check raise on the river. If he had AA or a K, I think the check-raise would have been bigger than just doubling your bet. Bet the turn and Re-raise!

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Why check behind on the turn? I think if you make a 1/2 pot bet on the turn you could at least see where you were at, and not get confused when the crazy river K came out. He might have a middle pair in his hand, or A8, or nothing! I would bet the turn and check call the river, and come out ahead most of the time with your AQ. The dude's a maniac and will call all bets to the river so why not bet out on the turn and not have to face a check raise on the river. If he had AA or a K, I think the check-raise would have been bigger than just doubling your bet. Bet the turn and Re-raise!

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wow, a King, what a maniac! don't know if I would have checked on the turn still