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Falcon900EX

07-07-2005, 07:55 AM

Hello all,

my reads were: SB-fish,MP1-Rock,MP3-SLP-A,CO-no read,Button-SLP-P.
My question what do you think here of my play i tried to check raise on the turn to isolate.
Should i fold against the thre bet of the rock?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds.

Turn: (5 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, Button folds, SB folds, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB
Tx

speirs

07-07-2005, 08:31 AM

What do you put this particular rock on when he open-limps in middle position? When you know him to be a rock maybe just call the turn since your attempted isolation of the button failed anyway?

sekrah

07-07-2005, 08:47 AM

I probably fold this hand on the flop to 1 SB, having missed the board and have yet to shown any strength.

You're getting 8:1 to your call. You are about 7:1 to make a pair on the turn (10s or As).. With limpers who could have anything, there's a decent chance you are still behind even if you make it.

I lay down these marginal calls at limit, with many people in the pot they end up costing you money if you improve your hand on the turn. I think a call on the flop is -EV.

Falcon900EX

07-07-2005, 10:18 AM

are there more opinions on that?

SeaEagle

07-07-2005, 11:02 AM

I'm fine with your check raise. A whiff doesn't kill you here.

On the 3-bet, there are only a few reasonable hands that are beating you: a slowplayed set (which is doubtful given the stop-n-go), A6, and A2. Why do you classify villian as a rock? Would he open limp with A-any or not raise with AJ or better? Neither of these plays are generally associated with a rock.

Against most rocks, you can safely fold a middling hand like yours against a turn 3-bet. This 3-bet is pretty suspicious, though.

Justin A

07-07-2005, 12:39 PM

I think this is an easy flop fold.

Falcon900EX

07-10-2005, 11:24 PM

What about if i had AJo still an easy fold on the flop?

ArturiusX

07-10-2005, 11:28 PM

I don't get it, why are we folding this flop?

SinCityGuy

07-11-2005, 12:32 AM

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I don't get it, why are we folding this flop?

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Playing devil's advocate, with a large field there's a greater chance of being reverse dominated with the ace. Also, the T puts a straight draw on the board, which is also bad news in a multiway pot.

Having said that, I think that checkraising the flop is much better than calling, but I still lean towards a fold. If you're going to continue with the hand, calling is terrible IMO.

TomBrooks

07-11-2005, 12:46 AM

I think the Rock has AJ or AQ and has you outkicked on the turn. You can fold unless your curious, but curiosity killed the cat. Small pot anyway.

shant

07-11-2005, 12:58 AM

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I think this is an easy flop fold.

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Falcon900EX

07-11-2005, 09:59 AM

tx all,

but my question what about if i had AJo is still not awnsered.