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DavidC
07-07-2005, 07:03 AM
The PF 3-bettor is TAA, with a little on the passive side for the preflop raises (after 1160 hands) (20/9/3).

The two limpers are very loose, pretty passive preflop, with one being relatively weak postflop and both being passive.

I think the PF is perfect. Please tell me if I'm wrong. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm very open to comments on the post-flop play.

I haven't got a bloody clue what my plan is on the flop.

On the turn I'm drawing dead to JJ, dead to TT, though I don't believe he has that (though if he does, my hat's off, because he played it well, IMHO), I'm drawing to 6 outs vs QQ, 3 outs vs AJs (of which there are three hands), 4 outs vs AA, 7 outs vs KK, and that's about all I can think of right now... I'm pretty tired. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Oh yeah, AK I chop and AQ I'm ahead.

The turn play is therefore probably pretty good.

River play, again, probably just fine.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB
sekrah
07-07-2005, 07:32 AM
I think I lay this down on the turn.

Pot is okay, but he's definently got a hand!

It's possible he's holding two of your straight outs (Q-Q) or two of your pair outs (K-K or A-A). It's also just as plausible to be holding 10-10 or J-J (You're drawing dead!)

He's got hand, I definently fold this on the turn.
oreogod
07-07-2005, 07:49 AM
The only hand u have a full six outs to is QQ. I drop this on the turn. If ur lucky he has AQ...he doesnt though. Ak is a chop, but I doubt he has that. Give the action and the fact that he continues betting...that should put a whole lot more emphasis on high pp or set. He probably opened with JJ-AA. combined at the most, u have 4 outs on a good day...probably more like 2-3 here. I fold the turn.

You're probably in bad shape to be drawing to top pair here.

I probably bet the flop like so, he raises, call and check/fold UI on the turn.
Jake (The Snake)
07-07-2005, 07:58 AM
I suck at counting, nevemind
DavidC
07-07-2005, 08:02 AM
Got here faster than you could edit, sucka! /images/graemlins/cool.gif
oreogod
07-07-2005, 08:02 AM
Probably because I paid no attention to the T on the turn.
Jake (The Snake)
07-07-2005, 08:02 AM
HAHA I CHANGED MY POST BEFORE YOU REPLIED!

Some say I'm eccentric.
oreogod
07-07-2005, 08:04 AM
Damn it. I cant go back to see what u posted. What was wrong with the counting?
DavidC
07-07-2005, 08:06 AM
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Damn it. I cant go back to see what u posted. What was wrong with the counting?

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Sorry man, you don't know the handshake.
oreogod
07-07-2005, 08:07 AM
screw it, Im confused now. fing 4 am. Call the turn, fold the river. In my intial post I didnt read the board properly. I essentially misread that u also had a gutshot. My original reply is what I would do if u had no such outs on the turn.
oreogod
07-07-2005, 08:09 AM
Handshake (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0101/shake.html)

Google is an amazing tool. I only post because I thought it was funny.
DavidC
07-07-2005, 08:11 AM
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screw it, Im confused now. fing 4 am. Call the turn, fold the river. In my intial post I didnt read the board properly. I essentially misread that u also had a gutshot. My original reply is what I would do if u had no such outs on the turn.

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No worries. Thanks for the response.

The King said that vs QQ we have 8 outs, which just forgets that a Q would give him a boat and us a straight at the same time.
Jake (The Snake)
07-07-2005, 08:13 AM
Let me try again. I think both the turn and river decisions are close and should be read based.

If we assume villain would play 99+, AQs+, AK this way then our equity onthe turn is 28 and 21 for the river. These need to be discounted some since it is more likely he'd play his stronger hands this way than weak. Especially on the river where he might check behind with overcards.

Overall, I am too tired to think hard about the hand but think you probably played it good.
Clarkmeister
07-07-2005, 11:17 AM
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I think I lay this down on the turn.

Pot is okay, but he's definently got a hand!

It's possible he's holding two of your straight outs (Q-Q) or two of your pair outs (K-K or A-A). It's also just as plausible to be holding 10-10 or J-J (You're drawing dead!)

He's got hand, I definently fold this on the turn.


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Whether or not our opponent has "a hand" is irrelevant when deciding whether or not to call on the turn. What is relevant is the range of his possible hands, our likely number of outs, and the size of the pot on the turn.
PokerBob
07-07-2005, 11:24 AM
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He's got hand, I definently fold this on the turn.


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This sucks.