Zag
02-10-2003, 06:10 PM
The ethics question here is whether or not to raise a stink. I didn't, but I really had to grit my teeth.
Playing $5/10 with a kill at Foxwoods. The hand is killed by drunken idiot to my right. Everyone folds to him and he checks. I have K/forums/images/icons/heart.gif Q/forums/images/icons/heart.gif so I raise to isolate him. Tight player in CO reraises. This is the first preflop reraise I've seen from him in three hours, so I figure AA, KK, or AKs. BB and Drunk call both raises, I call. CO is on the dealer's immediate right, which becomes important later.
Flop is A/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 10/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6/forums/images/icons/spade.gif, giving me a draw to a straight flush. Drunk bets, I call (considered a raise, here), and CO raises. BB folds, drunk calls, I call.
Turn is a blank: [A/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 10/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6/forums/images/icons/spade.gif] 4/forums/images/icons/club.gif. Drunk and I both check and, as the CO is trying to bet, dealer burns and turns the very lovely 5/forums/images/icons/heart.gif. Now I do not believe that the CO was angle-shooting, here. He had his bet out and was reaching, the dealer just ignored him, since he was "hiding" in the dealer's blind spot.
The dealer TRIED to just pitch the 5/forums/images/icons/heart.gif into the muck, expecting to get a new river card from the rest of the deck. By calling (calmly) for the floor, I at least got him to shuffle one of my 10 outs back into the deck. This, of course, ruined my chance for a check-raise if a heart did arrive, though I probably wouldn't have tried one anyway. (On the other hand, it enhanced my chances if a jack came.) In any case, neither a heart nor a jack landed on the river, and I lost the biggest pot I had seen in quite a while at that table.
When the floor came, I acknowledged that the CO was not angle-shooting, and I took the whole thing stoicly. However, I suspect that I could have claimed that the player missed his chance to raise, and the river card was there to stay. If I were loud enough (I can be VERY loud.) I think the floor might have been convinced.
Comments?
B.T.W. the CO did, in fact, have AA for the set.
Playing $5/10 with a kill at Foxwoods. The hand is killed by drunken idiot to my right. Everyone folds to him and he checks. I have K/forums/images/icons/heart.gif Q/forums/images/icons/heart.gif so I raise to isolate him. Tight player in CO reraises. This is the first preflop reraise I've seen from him in three hours, so I figure AA, KK, or AKs. BB and Drunk call both raises, I call. CO is on the dealer's immediate right, which becomes important later.
Flop is A/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 10/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6/forums/images/icons/spade.gif, giving me a draw to a straight flush. Drunk bets, I call (considered a raise, here), and CO raises. BB folds, drunk calls, I call.
Turn is a blank: [A/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 10/forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6/forums/images/icons/spade.gif] 4/forums/images/icons/club.gif. Drunk and I both check and, as the CO is trying to bet, dealer burns and turns the very lovely 5/forums/images/icons/heart.gif. Now I do not believe that the CO was angle-shooting, here. He had his bet out and was reaching, the dealer just ignored him, since he was "hiding" in the dealer's blind spot.
The dealer TRIED to just pitch the 5/forums/images/icons/heart.gif into the muck, expecting to get a new river card from the rest of the deck. By calling (calmly) for the floor, I at least got him to shuffle one of my 10 outs back into the deck. This, of course, ruined my chance for a check-raise if a heart did arrive, though I probably wouldn't have tried one anyway. (On the other hand, it enhanced my chances if a jack came.) In any case, neither a heart nor a jack landed on the river, and I lost the biggest pot I had seen in quite a while at that table.
When the floor came, I acknowledged that the CO was not angle-shooting, and I took the whole thing stoicly. However, I suspect that I could have claimed that the player missed his chance to raise, and the river card was there to stay. If I were loud enough (I can be VERY loud.) I think the floor might have been convinced.
Comments?
B.T.W. the CO did, in fact, have AA for the set.