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AliasMrJones

07-07-2005, 12:55 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, UTG+2 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, 1 fold, CO calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t87.50) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t50, UTG+1 calls t50, UTG+2 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t287.50) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero bets t140, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t140, MP2 calls t140.

River: (t707.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)

First hand. We hit the flush, but with 2 others on the river it seems likely one of them was on a flush draw as well and my T-high flush doesn't seem so great any more. And why is the other guy calling?

So, what's the plan? (Comments on all streets welcome as well.)

gildwulf

07-07-2005, 12:56 AM

I would probably bet the pot on the flop and push the turn to shut down higher flush draws...

AliasMrJones

07-07-2005, 01:14 AM

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I would probably bet the pot on the flop and push the turn to shut down higher flush draws...

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Why pot the flop? We have bottom pair and a flush draw. A push on the turn is waaaaaay overbetting the pot.

ChoicestHops

07-07-2005, 01:22 AM

I'd think a higher flush draw, someone hit trips and is slowplaying (if that's the case then he's got a full house), or donks calling with overcards.

Checking the river to see how the other players respond to the board wouldn't be such a bad idea. If you bet half the pot here you might be re-raised a significant amount. It's already a great sized pot in relation to the blinds so if it get's checked down and you take it I would be cool with the chips.

gildwulf

07-07-2005, 01:24 AM

I would bet the pot on the flop to shut down larger draws, giving you a better chance of winning if a 3 flush hits. The pot is also so small at this point it is easy to get away from a big reraise. So you have an opportunity to bet a bit more, allowing opponents to make a huge mistake and still be able to get out for cheap, as opposed to betting slightly less and giving your opponents better odds to call.

As for the overbet on the turn, you probably have the best hand with a weak flush draw and a draw to a fullhouse. I would rather get all my money in when I am a favorite on the turn and shut down higher flush draws...if you are called, then at least you have outs and have a chance of getting stronger draws to fold.

donny5k

07-07-2005, 01:53 AM

I think that instead of giving advice on this hand, the original poster just needs to be reassured that his hand is good here the vast majority of the time on the river and the fact that he is scared after that river is more of a leak than how he played the hand.

AliasMrJones

07-07-2005, 02:14 AM

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I think that instead of giving advice on this hand, the original poster just needs to be reassured that his hand is good here the vast majority of the time on the river and the fact that he is scared after that river is more of a leak than how he played the hand.

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Do your really think I'm ahead here? Even sometimes?

AliasMrJones

07-07-2005, 12:50 PM

OK, so you are ahead here sometimes...

I bet 350 into the 710 pot leaving me with 445. UTG+2 raises to 700 (leaving him with 95). MP2 goes all-in.

Now what?

mlagoo

07-07-2005, 12:56 PM

well geez.

i guess its a fold.

a really tough fold.

you just cant overcall here. what is he calling with on that board if not a flush or better (turned full house comes to mind).

adanthar

07-07-2005, 01:29 PM

The flop bet is fine but when 3 people call it, your default assumption should be that there's at least one draw and probably a big hand out somewhere. Therefore, you have to bet at least 250 on the turn (I may CR push here since somebody will hopefully bet it and nobody's putting you on a 2).

Given you got 2 calls I check the river and see what happens. This isn't a value bet situation - you may be ahead but you are losing your stack when you aren't unless you keep the pot down.

skierdude1000

07-07-2005, 01:51 PM

definately bet more on turn, i would've bet say 300

gildwulf

07-07-2005, 04:36 PM

If you want any chance of winning this pot (or at least going in as a favorite) I think you have to put all your chips in on the turn. See my above explanation.

Edit: if you can get a hand like Kx suited to fold here on the turn (which any sane person would to a push) you have increased your chances of winning this pot tremendously. IMO you have to make a stand on the turn here.