Should I be paying this off?

[Dignan]

The villian has been passive, and played over %50 of his hands. Should I be calling his c/r?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (5.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

[Bodhi]

sorry for the double post.

[Bodhi]

Yes, if only because you don't want to make a habit of folding to river raises when you have a decent hand.

[Dave G.]

Yes. Nice hand.

[@bsolute_luck]

anything wrong with check/calling that river?

[Dignan]

Just noticed i wrote check-raise when it's not. Oops.

Something else to consider: His raise was instantaneous, making it evident that he had clicked the handy "Raise Any" button. Does this change anything?

[Rev. Good Will]

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anything wrong with check/calling that river?

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The villian has been passive, and played over %50 of his hands

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I'd say so, up to the river, villian hass apparently been playing this hand much like every other hand he has been playing

[Bodhi]

No. Sometimes people do that when they have a hand, and sometimes people do it so it looks like they have a hand.

[Redd]

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anything wrong with check/calling that river?

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Yeah. This villain will rarely have a king, occasionally have a 9, and will frequently either call one with crap or check behind.

[TomBrooks]

Yes, but you will only what I estimate to be 1 time in 7.

Therefore, your EV will be:

1 x 8.75BB= 8.75 win
6 x 1BB=6 lost

Net 2.75BB

Average EV to Call: 2.75 BB / 7 Hands = 0.4BB/hand

How does that sound?

[teajay]

Against a passive player. No, I wouldn't call.

Of course I say that now, but in the heat of battle, I would be dying to see it.

*Edit - This was a blind post. I see why I would call, and probably have called this same behavior. (As I had noted originally)

[Duerig]

I would call.

[bozlax]

Are you saying he'll only win 1 in 7, or pay off 1 in 7? You provided EV for winning one in 7, paying off 1 in 7 is exactly the opposite:

(1 * -1BB) + (6 * +8.25BB) = 48.5BB = +6.93BB/hand

I like that better, tho I'm not entirely convinced of the 1 in 7.

[TomBrooks]

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Are you saying he'll only win 1 in 7?

[/ QUOTE ]Hi bozlax,
Yes, I was suggesting my GUESStimate is that he would win this one time in seven. Then by my calculations, calling would be around +0.4BB per hand.

[aK13]

Checking this river sucks. You can probably fold to the raise.

[detruncate]

I like a fold. I don't think we can profitably bet in this situation if we're going to pay off a raise against this sort of player. I can see calling the first time for information, but it's probably not worth the price.

And I'm not worried about people taking shots at me. Most times I bet the river I'll have enough hand to call a raise, and the people who are going to try to exploit my apparent weakness are the ones I'd be more inclined to bet/call or check/call anyway.

[xenthebrain]

I'm folding to riverraises only with a hand that has less showdown value.
Though I think you beat only a bluff.