Pushing K3o on bubble ??

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Foe calls with any A, K, Q, and I was caught stealing with Q9 a few hands back. I figure with the blinds this high I cant survive without stealing more

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#Game No : 2316987785
***** Hand History for Game 2316987785 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13687155 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, July 06, 00:09:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 17603 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: Tminus9 ( $1775 )
Seat 5: BigMike670 ( $1690 )
Seat 1: rodbam ( $2050 )
Seat 8: cteal ( $2485 )
Trny:13687155 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Tminus9 [ Kh 3s ]
Tminus9: mike hasem
rodbam folds.
BigMike670 folds.
BigMike670: i had one1
Tminus9 is all-In [1675]

[kyro]

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Foe calls with any A, K, Q, and I was caught stealing with Q9 a few hands back. I figure with the blinds this high I cant survive without stealing more

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#Game No : 2316987785
***** Hand History for Game 2316987785 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13687155 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, July 06, 00:09:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 17603 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: Tminus9 ( $1775 )
Seat 5: BigMike670 ( $1690 )
Seat 1: rodbam ( $2050 )
Seat 8: cteal ( $2485 )
Trny:13687155 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Tminus9 [ Kh 3s ]
Tminus9: mike hasem
rodbam folds.
BigMike670 folds.
BigMike670: i had one1
Tminus9 is all-In [1675]

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He's calling with well over 50% of his hands. You have K-nothing (meaning coinflip if you're lucky) and you have 8BB after posting the SB.

Yuuuuuuuck.

[Unarmed]

I rarely have a problem with pushing out of the SB with <10BB and any two cards, but if he really is calling that often, I'd let it go.

[tminus]

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(meaning coinflip if you're lucky)

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This is what i hate about this hand, its 55% against any one random and I have no FE with this guy. It's either push and pray or sit around and have the chips cut into me while I squeak into 3rd place as a short stack.

[11t]

Standard push imo.

[junkmail3]

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Standard push imo.

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Agree. K good. Nothing more.

[octaveshift]

Is villain REALLY calling with any face?

Regardless, I think you have to push, and pray that he has Q3 or some other garbage.

[tminus]

Yeah, i saw him push A3, A8, A5, QT, and Q9..
Also, I buddied up to him early in the game and he commented on a hand statng that he assumed the short stack was psuhing any two cards and that any ace will do.

[EverettKings]

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It's either push and pray or sit around and have the chips cut into me while I squeak into 3rd place as a short stack.

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I don't think that's the case. Stacks are 2500 2000 1800 1700. You seem to be in fine shape, and don't have to "squeak" anywhere. Find a better spot.

Kings

[xLukex]

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Yeah, i saw him push A3, A8, A5, QT, and Q9..
Also, I buddied up to him early in the game and he commented on a hand statng that he assumed the short stack was psuhing any two cards and that any ace will do.

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What villain is pushing with and calling with are most likely two very different ranges...

[tminus]

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What villain is pushing with and calling with are most likely two very different ranges

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could you elaborate on this ???

also, are you LukeFromb11 ?

[jedi]

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Is villain REALLY calling with any face?

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Yeah, i saw him push A3, A8, A5, QT, and Q9..
Also, I buddied up to him early in the game and he commented on a hand statng that he assumed the short stack was psuhing any two cards and that any ace will do.

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What villain is pushing with and calling with are most likely two very different ranges...

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Uh oh. Is your read as solid as you thought? Has villain been actually CALLING with the wide range you thought? Ironically, if you're wrong about his calling standards, I think it makes your move more right.

[Unarmed]

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What villain is pushing with and calling with are most likely two very different ranges

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could you elaborate on this ???

also, are you LukeFromb11 ?

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I will push 23o often.
I rarely call pushes with 23o.

If your only read is that he's pushing trashy hands, you should have pushed.

[tminus]

This is a good point and its prudent advice. But with so much pushing going down someone is bound to bust out within the next 3-6 hands giving their chips to the next guy putting the short stacks (me being one of them) at a huge disadvantage.

"Waiting" is waiting for the right cards when someone else isnt already pushing and I often get caught in this vortex while the blinds swing around. So many people tell me that Im too passive on the bubble and Ive noticed this pattern in my game and so Id like to make the transition to become more aggressive.

[11t]

Actually I thought he was pushign KJ cus I was multitabling when I replied, if the guys calling range is really huge I'd be somewhat inclined to muck k3.

I still push KJ though /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[tminus]

Yes, as I indicated in the original post he calls with these hands. I saw him push with the same but there were a few times he didnt didnt showdown so there is a possibility that he's looser than I thought...

The other players are agressive as well but not as loose.

[wulfheir]

You either have to get lucky now, or lucky later. If you don't catch a premium hand soon, you'll be all-in with worse cards with less FE. Then everyone will have told you to be aggressive earlier.

[kyro]

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You either have to get lucky now, or lucky later. If you don't catch a premium hand soon, you'll be all-in with worse cards with less FE. Then everyone will have told you to be aggressive earlier.

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Except he's far from desperate. He's got 8BB if he folds and will have two free hands to play with. Why push a hand that you'll be at best a coinflip if villain is calling 40% of them or so? Your FE isn't exactly sparkling right now.

[tminus]

well im glad this isnt such an easy hand
im down to 10 buyins
busting on the bubble most times

[Moonsugar]

Just a reminder that what a good player will push with and what he will call with are totally different ranges. Gap Effect in full effect in bubble play.

If your range is correct then it is a fold. But I doubt your range is correct unless he is a good player AND he knows you are pushing many hands.