nut draw multiway

[dark_horse]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+2 ($61.8)
MP1 ($53.85)
Hero ($38.05)
MP3 ($51.7)
CO ($50)
Button ($52.55)
SB ($57.45)
BB ($49.5)
UTG ($80.45)
UTG+1 ($36.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $10</font>, UTG+2 calls $10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>

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is this a situation where if you move in and get even one caller you're priced into your draw based on your remaining stack vs potsize? plus you might have some folding equity, but based on the bet and raise, maybe not. i know it's risky to get involved in unraised pots, but by the time the action gets around to me, there's now some meat in there. i'm 1.9:1 to make the flush by the river, plus with the gutshot draw if someone doesn't already have the straight..

i don't think i've ever moved in on a draw in a cash game, but this one made me think.

[xorbie]

Move in 100% of the time and hope to get called by everyone. Worst case scenario someone has a set (you're better off against the nuts oddly enough), in which case oh well.

[dark_horse]

in this case the nuts would be 67. you're better off than that?

[xorbie]

No, I'm saying you're better off (barely) against the nuts than against a set.

[dark_horse]

well yeah, that makes total sense, as it cleans up all your hearts. anyway, i got TWO callers, and they both had 67! perfect situation for me.. but no hearts /images/graemlins/smile.gif oh well, as long as i did the right thing i'm ok with it. they chopped up my stack.

[xorbie]

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well yeah, that makes total sense, as it cleans up all your hearts. anyway, i got TWO callers, and they both had 67! perfect situation for me.. but no hearts /images/graemlins/smile.gif oh well, as long as i did the right thing i'm ok with it. they chopped up my stack.

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3 way action with more than 33% equity and dead money in the pot = good.

[dark_horse]

now what if you didn't have your assumed gutshot? still push?

[xorbie]

In most cases, yes. And especially if it's a raised pot.

[dark_horse]

but it does really depend on how much you have left before you push, and how much your opponents have left.. plus calling all-in is different from pushing first, when you have fold equity. however if your pot equity is over what you'd call all-in with, then you need to call all-in.

but if you and your opponents are very deep, there's no need to push, as you could be risking way more chips than necessary. however in this particular case, it felt correct to push.

[xorbie]

Of course. But with 100BB or less and significant flop action I am pushing fairly often, and maybe mixing in a call if I and someone else are deep enough.

The best thing about playing this hand hard is that it is generally +EV or only slightly -EV, but gives you a great image (you pushed with just a draw!? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif).