Would Gigabet agree with my play here?

[mistaken]

Hey all,

I had a hand in which I was about to fold, then remembered a concept in which Gigabet was recently recommending: Gigabet Dilemma (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=singletable&Number=261 0396&Forum=f22&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=2 610396&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=18623&datera nge=1&newerval=5&newertype=w&olderval=2&oldertype= w&bodyprev=#Post2610396) .

***** Hand History for Game 2317363629 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13689681) - Wed Jul 06 01:12:58 EDT 2005
Table Mini Step 5 1014193 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: RagingDeuces (3660)
Seat 2: A__Webb (1065)
Seat 5: henry3rd (1440)
Seat 7: LuaghoutLeah (2030)
Seat 8: UofM4Life1 (845)
Seat 10: sean0hara (960)
sean0hara posts small blind (100)
RagingDeuces posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to RagingDeuces [ 9s, Qh ]
A__Webb folds.
henry3rd folds.
LuaghoutLeah folds.
UofM4Life1 raises (845) to 845
UofM4Life1 is all-In.
sean0hara folds.
RagingDeuces calls (645)

The two main reasons for calling with this hand are as follows:

1. As your stack size increases, the value of each chip becomes less.

2. People are gonna think twice about stealing my blinds from now on.

3. Losing this pot will be by no means crippling to my stack size, and winning it would mean one less fellow in the tournament.

I can also see a few problems developing from this play:

1. I may get less credit on future steals (although they still have to respect my large chip stack.)

2. I could potentially double up a short-stack and consequently make life a bit more difficult.

What do you guys think?

Mistaken

[deathpotato]

[ QUOTE ]
1. As your stack size increases, the value of each chip becomes less.


[/ QUOTE ]How is this a reason to call? When you win, the chips you are winning are less valuable than the chips you lose when you lose. If you think button is pushing a lot of hands here, this call is correct by ICM, no need to pull Gigabet into it. If he is tight, then it's a bad call, in my opinion.

Edit - didn't see that it was a mini 5. I was doing the ICM calcs for a 50/30/20 payout. I think a call may be less correct here given your current dominance and the importance of placing in the top 2, given the small jump from 0-200-300-500 for 6th-3rd. This may be wrong though, I don't play these tournies much because I'm not familiar enough with the structure.

[FatalError]

Winning this pot would not upgrade your stack from average to dominating, losing this pot would howerver lower your stack from dominating to average... this call would make more sense if your stack was 2400ish and the all in was for 700

[Degen]

if he'd been pushing a lot i'd probably call that anyway, you'll only have 545 after posting SB and no FE if people play right in the blinds.

and the spite call may earn you a walk or two, and a bit of action when you do have a hand


not a bad call, not an auto-call either

tho highest i play is 109 so take it w/ a grain of salt


EDIT: mis-read stack sizes...if you call the pot is laying you 300+845=1145 and its 645 to call...thats 1.77 to 1...if you think its a steal then this should be an auto-call

[dmmikkel]

In what way was this a gigamove? The chips you gain won't let you run over the table anymore than what you could with the chips you had.

[mistaken]

[ QUOTE ]
In what way was this a gigamove? The chips you gain won't let you run over the table anymore than what you could with the chips you had.

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe that's what was missing from my analysis. Thanks!

Still... good play or bad one?

Mistaken

[curtains]

I would definitely call here and I don't think its that close.

[Fortitude]

Gigabet stuff aside, I think it's a good call. Button is pushing with a very, very wide range of hands here and Q9o will do just fine against them.

[zipppy]

[ QUOTE ]
Winning this pot would not upgrade your stack from average to dominating, losing this pot would howerver lower your stack from dominating to average...

[/ QUOTE ]

So which do you think he has right now...an average stack or a dominating one?

[mackthefork]

I don't think that this is an example of the concept you mention, however calling 645 to win 1145 with Q9o is fine especially when the bet comes from a guy with 4bbs and you are going to be relatively unharmed by losing the pot. More importantly I think folding here would be a terrible play.

Regards Mack

[maddog2030]

This question has been added to the SNG Wiki (http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/Sit-and-go).

[introv]

Call. Desperate short stack pushes from SB, you have a reasonable hand, reasonable odds on your call, you close the action and can afford to loose. Nothing to do with Gigabet tho.

[FatalError]

his stack is already dominating, he has almost twice the 2nd place stack

[bkbluedevil]

In all honesty I think this is about the oposite of a Giga move. Right now you are more than double the "line" but by losing another 900 or so you drop back into an area where some of the other stacks could cripple you. So based on Giga's model I think this is a fold. That being said, getting 1.7 to 1 it is so hard to fold this.

[tminus]

Answer these questions first:

1. Do you dress yourself ?
2. How the hell should we know what he thinks ?