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Olback
07-05-2005, 11:15 PM
PS $27 turbo

The blinds were stupidly high and figured my hadn was well in front. If i won i would have a dominate chip position. I was looking to steal but i knew i needed a decent hand as people would call with anything.

Was this a good call on my behalf?

Was this a good/bad call on villians behalf?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t4135)
BB (t3800)
UTG (t1260)
Button (t4305)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t4230</font>, Hero calls t3460 (All-In), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t7915) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t7915) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t7915) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t7915

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ah 7h (one pair, fives).
Button has Jc Qs (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: Button wins t7915. </font>
lastchance
07-05-2005, 11:18 PM
Crap, I have no idea how to play this. It all depends on how Button's playing, I guess.

(Oh, and don't use ICM for this one, I'll let other posters figure out why).
tminus
07-05-2005, 11:21 PM
this is totally dependent on what kind of player foe is

I think A7s is a great hand to push with but if he's really tight I may fold
Olback
07-05-2005, 11:22 PM
Forget to mention that button was stealing alot and raising my blinds every chance he got. I figured the a,7 was well in front.
Scuba Chuck
07-05-2005, 11:23 PM
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Crap, I have no idea how to play this. It all depends on how Button's playing, I guess.

(Oh, and don't use ICM for this one, I'll let other posters figure out why).

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I see why you're saying this, but I think ICM is still the correct tool for this. IMO, this is a very easy fold. I know those blinds are huge, but the equity transfer is far to great to battle here with shortstack allin on the next hand.
lastchance
07-05-2005, 11:27 PM
Well, make sure your call equity is actually correct instead of just plugging in numbers to SNG PT... /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Olback
07-05-2005, 11:27 PM
If shorty was not gonna be all next hand would u call?
lastchance
07-05-2005, 11:27 PM
That would make this a much, much easier fold.
Olback
07-05-2005, 11:29 PM
Wouldn't it much it a much harder fold. As you would know you needed more chips to surive?

I figured when it became a crapshoot like this i should take an edge like this. I mean isn't folding a,7 here way to tight?

What kind of hand would you need to call here?
Scuba Chuck
07-05-2005, 11:37 PM
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If shorty was not gonna be all next hand would u call?

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If all the stacks were a little more evened out, then yes, I agree with these blinds that this is a great call.
lastchance
07-05-2005, 11:54 PM
Oh crap, I completely misread the original post.

For some reason, I though Hero had Villain outchipped.

So, let's run some ICM.

Fold EQ = .28 of prize pool
Call EQ = Chance of winning * EQ if you win
EQ if you win = .43 Equity

.43 * x = .28
X is the amount of time you need to win to make calling profitable. You need to win 65% of the time. If Button's pushing any 2, you're only 61%. That's nowhere near good enough.
11t
07-05-2005, 11:56 PM
This is very very foolhardy, there is somebody at 1xBB who is going to be all in next hand.

I like the move by the button but your call is suicidal. A7os is never "out in front" unless you are up against a2-a6.

Is the converter messed up on this, cus I read it at as the button pushing and you calling off your stack. If this is true I really really really hate it.
Olback
07-05-2005, 11:59 PM
No the convertor did not screw up, i did /images/graemlins/blush.gif

At least i now know that part of this downswing is my fault
yabastid
07-06-2005, 12:06 AM
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This is very very foolhardy, there is somebody at 1xBB who is going to be all in next hand.

I like the move by the button but your call is suicidal. A7os is never "out in front" unless you are up against a2-a6.

Is the converter messed up on this, cus I read it at as the button pushing and you calling off your stack. If this is true I really really really hate it.

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I'm always agreeing with this guy /images/graemlins/smile.gif