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deepsquat
07-05-2005, 08:37 PM
Villain unknown. Ist orbit, should i be folding the turn UI or what the best general strategy vs unknown?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB
aK13
07-05-2005, 08:43 PM
WA/WB.
GTSamIAm
07-05-2005, 08:46 PM
I don't like call flop, call down. I like a flop 3-bet, fold turn to cap. Bet turn, fold to c/r. Bet down, with probably best hand if not aggressed.
MrWookie47
07-05-2005, 08:58 PM
This line is terrible. You're 3-betting to find out where you stand. (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=&amp;Number=523282&amp;page=0&amp;view =expanded&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;fpart=1)
Nfinity
07-05-2005, 09:05 PM
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This line is terrible. You're 3-betting to find out where you stand. (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=&amp;Number=523282&amp;page=0&amp;view =expanded&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;fpart=1)

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For some reason I laughed when I read this post.

WA/WB seems the best way to go.

Thanks MrWookie for the link to Ed's 3-bet thread. Been looking for it.
GTSamIAm
07-05-2005, 09:10 PM
What's the standard WA/WB line? I've never learned this, and now it sounds like I'm missing a lot and leaking there.
Disconnected
07-05-2005, 09:11 PM
You can't be check-raised here, so I guess you're not folding /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Flop 3-bet might not be bad, though, but I don't understand the thought behind your recommendation. I might 3-bet thinking there are a lot of pre-flop 3-bet hands that I'm ahead of here, and villain may be trying for a free card, or just trying to slow me down. That is a bit of a stretch, though, against an unknown.

WA/WB sounds better than a flop 3-bet, or maybe this is time for a stop 'n' go?
MrWookie47
07-05-2005, 09:58 PM
Standard Way ahead/way behind (WA/WB):

You open-raise ATo from MP2. Decent, typical CO 3bets you. All others fold. Flop comes A82, rainbow. You check/call. Turn bricks, completing the rainbow. You check/call. River bricks. You bet, and typically call a raise (but you usually won't have to). This line loses the least when behind a stronger A, and wins the most against KK-JJ, which will often fold.

This line should be re-evaluated on each street, however. Sometimes the card will change you from WA/WB to just WA or WB, and you should act accordingly.
MrWookie47
07-05-2005, 10:02 PM
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This line is terrible. You're 3-betting to find out where you stand. (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=&amp;Number=523282&amp;page=0&amp;view =expanded&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;fpart=1)

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For some reason I laughed when I read this post.

WA/WB seems the best way to go.

Thanks MrWookie for the link to Ed's 3-bet thread. Been looking for it.

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deepsquat
07-05-2005, 11:20 PM
Mr wookie, Thats a good line to take for WA/WB, but do u think we miss out on value here?
Hojglad
07-05-2005, 11:31 PM
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WA/WB.

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WB. WWB.
TomBrooks
07-06-2005, 07:22 AM
Looks good to me. I can't see laying down top pair, but you seem likely to be shown AK or maybe KK.