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mmbt0ne

07-05-2005, 07:03 PM

You get 4 spaces to put 4 faces. Who goes up? Most of this will probably be US-centric, so we can do a US and a World version if you want. There is no critera like "best athlete" or "biggest impact." Just room for 4 people.

Wayne Gretzky
Babe Ruth
Tiger Woods
Michael Jordan

is what I came up with. But it sucked to leave off people like Pele, Arnie, Montana, Ali, etc.

battschr

07-05-2005, 07:06 PM

Ali, Ruth, Jordan, Jim Brown.

Phoenix1010

07-05-2005, 07:07 PM

I trade Ali for Tiger. Who would be the best representative for football? Is it definitely Montana? I don't know that the NFL has a definitive face like Jordan or Gretzky.

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07-05-2005, 07:09 PM

I don't see how Tiger Woods could possibly be included.

battschr

07-05-2005, 07:11 PM

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I trade Ali for Tiger. Who would be the best representative for football? Is it definitely Montana? I don't know that the NFL has a definitive face like Jordan or Gretzky.

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Agreed, but I thought that football needed a representative... Jim Brown or Jerry Rice would be my first two choices.

Voltron87

07-05-2005, 07:12 PM

Derek Jeter
Paul O'Neil
Derek Jeter
Paul O'Neil

Phoenix1010

07-05-2005, 07:13 PM

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I don't see how Tiger Woods could possibly be included.

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Agreed. Golf isn't even close to being one of the four top American sports, and we're talking about a guy who can't seem to hold on to the number one ranking in his prime years. Plus, Tiger is no where near the icon that Ruth and Jordan are.

battschr

07-05-2005, 07:14 PM

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Derek Jeter
Paul O'Neil
Derek Jeter
Paul O'Neil

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....not only that, but Jeter could carve it himself using his godlike powers. But the question remains, could Jeter microwave a burrito so hot that not even HE could eat it?

BadBoyBenny

07-05-2005, 07:14 PM

Ali
Pele
Jordan
Nicklaus

mmbt0ne

07-05-2005, 07:15 PM

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I don't see how Tiger Woods could possibly be included.

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Construction won't be finished for the next decade on 2.

By then you'll agree with me /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Voltron87

07-05-2005, 07:17 PM

ok, for real...

Lance Armstrong
Michael Jordan
Tiger Woods
Derek Jeter

This is just me. I'm not a big football fan, and I don't watch hockey. There are a bunch of people I would like to put on, Pete Sampras, Clemens, and others, but I like my 4.

edit- looking back again, my list sucks. maybe it should only be retired athletes?

Lance and Jordan should be locks on everyone's list.

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07-05-2005, 07:17 PM

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I don't see how Tiger Woods could possibly be included.

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Agreed. Golf isn't even close to being one of the four top American sports, and we're talking about a guy who can't seem to hold on to the number one ranking in his prime years. Plus, Tiger is no where near the icon that Ruth and Jordan are.

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Agreed. It really comes down to him not being the greatest golfer of all time. He may yet accomplish that but as of now, no.

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07-05-2005, 07:19 PM

As others have pointed out, anything like this would pretty much be a joke if Ali was left out.

The Armchair

07-05-2005, 07:21 PM

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Ali, Ruth, Jordan, Jim Brown.

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That looks familiar (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html)

battschr

07-05-2005, 07:22 PM

There's no way Derek Jeter should be anywhere close to this list.

kerssens

07-05-2005, 07:22 PM

Muhammad Ali, Lance Armstrong, Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan

People like their teams and that's cool but carving Jeter into a mountain would be intensely retarded.

Voltron87

07-05-2005, 07:22 PM

I definitely think if Tiger fulfills his potential he could make a list like this but not on an incomplete career. I put him on my 1st list but now I don't think he fits. If he returns things to the "Golf is boring because tiger wins everytime" stage then he'll be on it.

jstnrgrs

07-05-2005, 07:23 PM

Jack Johnson
Jim Thorpe
Babe Ruth
Secratariat

Voltron87

07-05-2005, 07:24 PM

Well that's the yankee fan in me. i said on edit my list kind of sucks, and lance and mj were the only locks for other people.

battschr

07-05-2005, 07:25 PM

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Ali, Ruth, Jordan, Jim Brown.

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That looks familiar (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html)

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I did remember that list when thinking of my top 4, but only remembered Jordan, Ruth, and Ali being the top 3... I think Jordan is overrated, but he's so widely recognized, it's hard to argue that he should be on there.

Phoenix1010

07-05-2005, 07:41 PM

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I think Jordan is overrated

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lol.

battschr

07-05-2005, 07:55 PM

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I think Jordan is overrated

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lol.

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Jordan's great, but I don't think it should be so widely accepted as fact that he's the greatest basketball player ever.

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07-05-2005, 08:17 PM

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I think Jordan is overrated

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lol.

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Jordan's great, but I don't think it should be so widely accepted as fact that he's the greatest basketball player ever.

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I used to think like this as well. But when you sit back at look at all the teams who attempted and failed to build a championship team around a dominant guard, I had no choice to concede to Jordan's greatness

It wasn't too long ago that having a dominant scoring guard and another all start caliber perimenter player the accepted recipe to NBA success. This was because of Jordan yet has not only not been duplicated but abandoned all together for the traditional big man road with a balanced supporting cast.

[censored]

07-05-2005, 08:17 PM

That said F Micheal Jordan, never a fan never will be.

BadBoyBenny

07-05-2005, 08:24 PM

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Plus, Tiger is no where near the icon that Ruth and Jordan are.

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I think this is debateable, Tiger is at least the biggest sports Icon of the last 10 years (maybe Shaq but I don't think so when you look at the endorsements).

It still comes down to Jack was better in his day. They are putting him on the British pound for Christ sakes. Now that is an icon, a guy from Ohio is the only person not in the royal family ever on the pound.

2+2 wannabe

07-05-2005, 09:11 PM

pele undoubtedly is on this mountain
lance armstrong

i can't think of 2 more

tiger woods? derek jeter? babe ruth? come on....

edit: ali is 3

battschr

07-05-2005, 09:16 PM

Babe Ruth HAS to be on this list.

CD56

07-05-2005, 09:30 PM

too much of a recent recall bias so far i think

babe ruth
jordan
jim brown
jim thorpe

CD56

07-05-2005, 09:34 PM

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Jack Johnson
Jim Thorpe
Babe Ruth
Secratariat

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i hate it when horses get put on athlete lists, might as well put the worlds largest pumpkin, or a world record bass on the list

2+2 wannabe

07-05-2005, 09:52 PM

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Jack Johnson
Jim Thorpe
Babe Ruth
Secratariat

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i hate it when horses get put on athlete lists, might as well put the worlds largest pumpkin, or a world record bass on the list

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or that waterskiing squirrel

battschr

07-05-2005, 09:54 PM

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Jack Johnson
Jim Thorpe
Babe Ruth
Secratariat

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i hate it when horses get put on athlete lists, might as well put the worlds largest pumpkin, or a world record bass on the list

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or that waterskiing squirrel

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HOW ABOUT THAT.....THAT SQUIRREL CAN WATERSKI!!!! [/ron burgundy]

KingDan

07-05-2005, 10:14 PM

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Derek Jeter
Paul O'Neil
Derek Jeter
Paul O'Neil

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No Mattingly?

masse75

07-05-2005, 10:21 PM

I think Art Donovan for the NFL.

ThaSaltCracka

07-05-2005, 10:33 PM

Ali
Jordan
Walter Payton
Babe Ruth

Jack of Arcades

07-05-2005, 10:44 PM

I think you'd be much better off making one for every country. The World one is HARD.

The US: Ruth, Jordan, Rice, Ali.

jdl22

07-05-2005, 10:56 PM

Michael Jordan
Diego Maradona
Lance Armstrong
Joe Montana

fourth spot could go to pretty much any top player in baseball, football, hockey, tennis or whatever. Montana probably doesn't deserve it but he's in there as my boyhood idol.

Jack of Arcades

07-05-2005, 10:58 PM

If it's going to be a world one, Joe Montana is not a very good inclusion as football is essentially a two-country sport. I suggest going with something like hockey (Gretsky), baseball (Ruth), or boxing (Ali).

jdl22

07-05-2005, 11:00 PM

Yeah I guess Ali would be good for the fourth spot. I was totally blank on the fourth as the first three were all too easy.

J.R.

07-05-2005, 11:17 PM

http://www.csashows.com/CSA/football/8x10_images/DonovanArt_1.JPG

JTrout

07-05-2005, 11:19 PM

Archie Manning,
Eli Manning, and
Peyton Manning.
No fourth. Peyton's head needs extra room! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

OK for real:

Ali
Jordan
Ruth
Vince Lombardi

kerssens

07-06-2005, 12:02 AM

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Archie Manning,
Eli Manning, and
Peyton Manning.
No fourth. Peyton's head needs extra room! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

OK for real:

Ali
Jordan
Ruth
Vince Lombardi

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I like this list.

tbach24

07-06-2005, 12:14 AM

Ruth
Jordan
Ali
Pele

For those who say ance, why? I thought that cycling was hugely a team sport and have heard that there are a bunch of cyclists who could easily replace Lance.

PhatTBoll

07-06-2005, 12:16 AM

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I thought that cycling was hugely a team sport and have heard that there are a bunch of cyclists who could easily replace Lance.

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I have heard that Jews have horns.

kerssens

07-06-2005, 12:18 AM

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Ruth
Jordan
Ali
Pele

For those who say ance, why? I thought that cycling was hugely a team sport and have heard that there are a bunch of cyclists who could easily replace Lance.

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He's one of the most recognizable figures in sports. The cancer survival story doesn't hurt either. If a bunch of cyclists could replace him, how has he won 6 straight tours?

tbach24

07-06-2005, 12:19 AM

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Ruth
Jordan
Ali
Pele

For those who say ance, why? I thought that cycling was hugely a team sport and have heard that there are a bunch of cyclists who could easily replace Lance.

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He's one of the most recognizable figures in sports. The cancer survival story doesn't hurt either. If a bunch of cyclists could replace him, how has he won 6 straight tours?

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Like I said, he has a great team. He also does steroids, I don't think we can immortalize a cheater.

tbach24

07-06-2005, 12:21 AM

Also, is there some European who is more famous than Pele? Or is he the face of soccer?

mmbt0ne

07-06-2005, 12:35 AM

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Like I said, he has a great team. He also does steroids, I don't think we can immortalize a cheater.

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Wow. You're the next Dead of the sports forum.

Colonel Kataffy

07-06-2005, 12:36 AM

No disrespect to Tiger but I don't think i'd put a golfer on the mount. I think historically, Boxing has been a more important sport and I believe Ali was a bigger figure for his time.

I hate not having a football player, but I don't think one player stands out above the others. Which is kind of cool actually.

tbach24

07-06-2005, 12:39 AM

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Like I said, he has a great team. He also does steroids, I don't think we can immortalize a cheater.

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Wow. You're the next Dead of the sports forum.

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lol, I'll stop, I actually like Lance but I can't handle someone winning that much.

Jack of Arcades

07-06-2005, 12:43 AM

For footballers, Diego Maradona > Edson Arantes do Nascimento

tolbiny

07-06-2005, 01:07 AM

Lance shouldn't be on the list. In competitive cycling he excells at the tour de france, and his achievements are remarkable. But its not like the tour is the only event. Its just the only one we hear about.

tolbiny

07-06-2005, 01:09 AM

"Diego Maradona"

Not a chance- Pele takes this spot over Diego.

sirdeej2

07-06-2005, 02:29 AM

Ah the parody of the NFL...

My Picks
Ali
Babe Ruth
Lance Armstrong
Pele

pryor15

07-06-2005, 02:32 AM

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Who would be the best representative for football?

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Ditka.

SomethingClever

07-06-2005, 01:30 PM

I'll tell ya who should NOT be on this list.

Tiger. Too young. And golf sucks.
Gretsky. Hockey is marginal at this point.
Jeter. Hahahahahahah!
Lance. Ehhhhh... close, but cycling is too marginal.

I think Jordan, Ali and Ruth are locks. But the fourth spot is up for debate. It should probably be some olympic hero, but I'm having a hard time coming up with an appropriate one. Carl Lewis? Too weird. Maybe Jesse Owens? Jim Thorpe? Thoughts?

kerssens

07-06-2005, 03:07 PM

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I'll tell ya who should NOT be on this list.

Tiger. Too young. And golf sucks.
Gretsky. Hockey is marginal at this point.
Jeter. Hahahahahahah!
Lance. Ehhhhh... close, but cycling is too marginal.

I think Jordan, Ali and Ruth are locks. But the fourth spot is up for debate. It should probably be some olympic hero, but I'm having a hard time coming up with an appropriate one. Carl Lewis? Too weird. Maybe Jesse Owens? Jim Thorpe? Thoughts?

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I like the Jesse Owens or Jim Thorpe ideas but I don't particularly know what they look like and I don't know how many could look at them without captions and be sure who they are. I'd think a face on a mountain should be instantly known, that's why I liked the Lombardi suggestion.

kyro

07-06-2005, 03:12 PM

Hmm, interesting.

Ruth and Jordan, no doubt. Um, not a fan of boxing. So I don't really care about Ali but I completely respect his greatness, so I could see him up there.

oh yeah, and that butch chick that's always on ESPN playing pool. it'd be really easy carving her face into stone.

kerssens

07-06-2005, 03:14 PM

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Hmm, interesting.

Ruth and Jordan, no doubt. Um, not a fan of boxing. So I don't really care about Ali but I completely respect his greatness, so I could see him up there.

oh yeah, and that butch chick that's always on ESPN playing pool. it'd be really easy carving her face into stone.

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The Amazonian with the glasses?

tbach24

07-06-2005, 03:15 PM

I like Lombardi too

Here's my new one:

Jordan
Ali
Ruth
Lombardi

I think it's perrrfect

ThaSaltCracka

07-06-2005, 03:52 PM

Jim Thorpe is a good pic to replace Payton on my list

ThaSaltCracka

07-06-2005, 03:53 PM

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Ruth
Jordan
Ali
Pele

For those who say ance, why? I thought that cycling was hugely a team sport and have heard that there are a bunch of cyclists who could easily replace Lance.

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He's one of the most recognizable figures in sports. The cancer survival story doesn't hurt either. If a bunch of cyclists could replace him, how has he won 6 straight tours?

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Like I said, he has a great team. He also does steroids, I don't think we can immortalize a cheater.

[/ QUOTE ]you are fuc[/b]king moron.

kyro

07-06-2005, 04:00 PM

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Hmm, interesting.

Ruth and Jordan, no doubt. Um, not a fan of boxing. So I don't really care about Ali but I completely respect his greatness, so I could see him up there.

oh yeah, and that butch chick that's always on ESPN playing pool. it'd be really easy carving her face into stone.

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The Amazonian with the glasses?

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Yeah, the one always playing against the Asian chick.

kyro

07-06-2005, 04:02 PM

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Like I said, he has a great team. He also does steroids, I don't think we can immortalize a cheater.

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Wow. You're the next Dead of the sports forum.

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lol, I'll stop, I actually like Lance but I can't handle someone winning that much.

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Not a Pats fan are we?

RacersEdge

07-06-2005, 06:16 PM

Pete Rose

JoeU

07-06-2005, 10:05 PM

I think everyone is missing the boat on this one. The current faces on Mt Rushmore are all people who went above and beyond in building this country. They are the elite cream of the crop.

I think the sports Mt Rushmore should have the super elite athletes. I was thinking of people that changed the way the game was played. Thus, my 4 would be:

Ali -- he MADE boxing famous
Pele -- no one knew what a bicycle kick was until he did it
Wilt -- no one played center like him, and we still think of him in that era when it was Russell who won all the championships
Jim Brown -- they changed the rules of lacrosse when he played at Syracuse because of him, oh yeah, and he was pretty good at football

Honorable mention to:
Gretzky -- he earned the "Great One" moniker and made everyone forget about Gordie Howe
Maradonna -- his performance in 86 was a work of God, and he brought Napoli back to the forefront in Italian soccer
Babe Ruth -- how many 20 game winners can hit 60 home runs??
Lance Armstrong -- his story hits many different people on many different levels. I hesitate to mention him though because he's a 1 race specialist. Kinda like a closer in baseball. But there is definitely no denying his greatness.

I'm missing a few, but thats a pretty good list to start.

Joe