Donk bet out of absolutely no where

[phillydilly]

The river bet confused the hell out of me, I couldn't decide if i should be raising calling or folding
does this change if BB is out of the picture

BB 60/0/.8 @ 20 hands
UTG 71/28/.8 @ 20 hands
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (10.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero...

[HajiShirazu]

I would call here and expect to lose, rest of the hand was good.

[PokerBob]

Call and be shown KT or total crap, either way a raise is wrong IMHO.

[Sasnak]

Why only call the flop bet and not a raise? BB could have an overpair or /images/graemlins/spade.gif flush draw and pay you off if the flush misses. Isn't this a raise for value?

[lmbree]

I just call. I also prob. raise the flop. I know we are only 3 handed and you want to get both guys for 2 bets, but that board is so draw heavy, i want to make them pay.

[smartalecc5]

Sadly, this kind of stuff means your usally beaten. Mot likely hit his two pair on the river /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[meep_42]

Raise the flop, this is not the board to wait until the turn to raise as a J,9,Q,6 or /images/graemlins/spade.gif completes a draw.

I think it's more likely that UTG has A or JT:diamonds: than KT or a rag two-pair, though.

Call and collect the overcall as the donkbet indicates that UTG can usually beat TP, though sometimes this is a hand like Kx/images/graemlins/spade.gif trying to stop a free showdown.

-d

[McGahee]

[ QUOTE ]
Raise the flop, this is not the board to wait until the turn to raise as a J,9,Q,6 or /images/graemlins/spade.gif completes a draw.


[/ QUOTE ]

Isn't that why it's a board to wait until the turn?

[RiverTheNuts]

Eww, raise the frigging flop

[meep_42]

It also makes it more likely that he's betting a draw, which he won't bet on the turn.

-d

[McGahee]

Fair point - is this type of activity common at 2/4?
I rarely see the bet flop/check turn line at 1/2 outside of myself.

[sekrah]

Fold.

You'll lose this pot 19/20 times. He almost certaintly (95%) has you beaten (K-7, K-8, K-10, or Diamonds). The pot isn't there for it. Why give away a free BB when you're beat?

Also, the BB could have hit something as well and laying down the traps for the check-raise.

[Derek132260]

Grunch.

Lucky bastard probably made his KT or a lame flush -- obviously you have to call, though. Can't invite everyone watching to donk you out on the river when a reasonably scary card hits.

[mscags]

I call here and cry when he flips his flush over.

[KyleM]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold.

You'll lose this pot 19/20 times. He almost certaintly (95%) has you beaten (K-7, K-8, K-10, or Diamonds). The pot isn't there for it. Why give away a free BB when you're beat?

Also, the BB could have hit something as well and laying down the traps for the check-raise.


[/ QUOTE ]

I disagree with this strongly. Have you ever played low limit at Party? LOL

High card is winning for me at the showdown about 12% of the time. I almost always bluff the river if I miss a draw, and almost always call a single river bet with anything (depends on who you're showing down against, but the players at PP 3/6 are just retarded lol)

[TiltsMcFabulous]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold.

You'll lose this pot 19/20 times. He almost certaintly (95%) has you beaten (K-7, K-8, K-10, or Diamonds). The pot isn't there for it. Why give away a free BB when you're beat?

Also, the BB could have hit something as well and laying down the traps for the check-raise.





[/ QUOTE ]

Terrible advice. You're just as likely to see a K high flush draw that hit the K or a naked AK as you are to see a backdoor flush or two pair. With a pot this size and an overpair, you absolutely must call the donk bet.

~ Tilts

[RiverTheNuts]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold.

You'll lose this pot 19/20 times. He almost certaintly (95%) has you beaten (K-7, K-8, K-10, or Diamonds). The pot isn't there for it. Why give away a free BB when you're beat?

Also, the BB could have hit something as well and laying down the traps for the check-raise.





[/ QUOTE ]

Am I the only one that was highlighting under this post to see the &lt;/sarcasm&gt; tag?? This is terrible advice... you are ahead enough to make this a crying call

[private joker]

Raise the flop for value. I mean Jesus. You have an overpair and a lot of hands (gutshots, middle pair, etc.) will call you.

Cry and call the river, expecting to be shown a flush, given his stats. But I think you're good just about 10% of the time.