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gronmo
07-05-2005, 07:23 AM
I'm in a huge downswing at the moment and see no end to the suffering. I feel my play and stats are pretty decent and can't see any obvious big mistakes I'm making. Does anyone have any suggestions based on these stats? This is from 4 tabling.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7523/helpme10wj.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

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sy_or_bust
07-05-2005, 07:46 AM
Your WTSD stat is very low, especially for the levels you are playing and your tight preflop approach. I suspect you are folding your fair share of winners, and probably giving up some hands too easily. If can show your stats by position, it would help.

Also, I would check some of your big pair hands, especially QQ-TT. You may be overplaying them.

gronmo
07-05-2005, 09:14 AM
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Your WTSD stat is very low, especially for the levels you are playing and your tight preflop approach. I suspect you are folding your fair share of winners, and probably giving up some hands too easily. If can show your stats by position, it would help.

Also, I would check some of your big pair hands, especially QQ-TT. You may be overplaying them.

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Assuming this sample is an average representation of my play, yes you might say that I'm going to showdown a little bit too seldom. However I feel that my stats are skewered by a big bad run of cards. In a normal sample I usually go to showdown somewhere around 34-35% which I think is alright for the levels I'm playing.

I had a look at all my hands with QQ-TT to see if I was overplaying them and didn't find any evidence of that. Basically they're just not winning as much as they should (some bad beats but also when they do win its usually just 1-3 bb wins and not enough to compensate for the losses that occur when they lose).

I compared my top 10 hands in this sample with the top 10 from my 60k sample at 1/2 6max and all my big hands are way lower than would be expected (about 500bb less won on these hands alone). So I'm pretty certain I'm not overplaying my hands or losing lots of money due to tilt.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5999/position9rq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

My vpip on the button is a bit lower than in the cutoff, but I'm certain its due to sample size, since I play a few more hands on the button than in the cutoff.

HajiShirazu
07-05-2005, 09:36 AM
Your went to showdown is pretty low, perhaps you should be following up on more turns, or are folding too many winners. You might have other probs postflop as well, but you can't see those in the stats. It's just hard to come up with a reason why somebody could lose 270bb in what are pretty soft games when the stats show that they aren't playing that badly before the flop and probably aren't all that bad after it.
However looking at your big hand stats it seems you are running really really bad, especially when it comes to the crackings of QQ-TT and you aren't doing so hot with aces either.
This is a total shot in the dark when I compare your stats to mine, which are stats of running very well, but your bet % and AF on the river seems low. This could be due to bad beats or bad cards but it could also be due to a lack of value betting. In any case it is much lower than mine. Maybe you should look at your river play.

bds
07-05-2005, 09:44 AM
When I'm running badly, my default is to roll back to 2 tables and to try very hard to improve my hand reading skills and my skills at learning how to play against various opponents. This has always been helpful for me.