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pearljam
07-05-2005, 02:47 AM
It would be awsome if one of you SNG pros could take a minute of your time and tell me what you would have done on these hands. All are 30+3, thanks in advance.

Hand #1
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Hero (t775)
BB (t650)
UTG (t2005)
MP1 (t270)
MP2 (t2885)
CO (t680)
Button (t735)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of t30.
BB calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (t90) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t30</font>, CO calls t30, Hero calls t30.

Turn: (t180) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t30</font>, CO calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t180</font>, BB calls t150, CO folds.

River: (t570) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t410 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t980

Hand #2

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SB (t940)
BB (t785)
UTG (t1145)
UTG+1 (t835)
MP1 (t740)
MP2 (t800)
CO (t1920)
Hero (t835)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t90</font>, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: t180

Hand #3

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UTG (t830)
UTG+1 (t795)
MP1 (t1605)
MP2 (t900)
CO (t1535)
Button (t530)
SB (t1030)
Hero (t775)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t60) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t45</font>, SB calls t45, Hero folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (t150) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t80</font>, SB calls t80.

River: (t310) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: t310

All of these hands are basically things im having alot of trouble laying down, and I really dont know if I should or not.

ChoicestHops
07-05-2005, 02:51 AM
Im not a poker god but I'll say hand 1, although in dangerous territory, was played well.

Hand 2 is pretty standard.

On hand 3 I like to call the flop bet, it could be a probe bet. Although this early in the tournament I lay down on any aggression on later streets.

Sabrazack
07-05-2005, 03:05 AM
I like your play in the first two hands, although i would probably lead out on hand 3. Alternatively you could try a check raise here.

Colombo
07-05-2005, 03:05 AM
I would raise the flop in every hand.

Why do you think you are beat on the 2nd and 3rd hands?

donny5k
07-05-2005, 03:12 AM
I agree. Why are you putting so much stock in 2 pair on a 3 diamond board but not 44 when he's screaming "I have a 3 or worse but think it's good"? And top pair queen kicker is worth nothing to you?

unreal_nh
07-05-2005, 03:19 AM
both hands i would probably check-fold... but i also play extremely ultra tight in the early levels. the first hand, top pair aces with 10 kicker and a possible flush on the board - with 2 more cards to come probably isnt that great of a holding, and given the fact that your only playing for 90 chips at the moment it probably isnt worth getting involved in. the second hand, same situation, not that strong of a hand, and in my opinion, no real incentive to play it.

donny5k
07-05-2005, 03:22 AM
So is there an incentive to play any good but not great hand early on? How about potential to earn bets from weak players?

unreal_nh
07-05-2005, 03:23 AM
oh didnt notice there were 3 hands there... the one with 44, i would fold preflop, with the lack of multiple limpers you arent really getting the odds to hit a set (which is what you want). every time you have a hand like 44 you will always get overcards and wont know what to do... or at least i wouldnt. and i guess if you are set on playing the hand at least open raise with it. i hate people open limping on the button

unreal_nh
07-05-2005, 03:25 AM
i think the only way there is a real incentive to play a hand in early levels is if you are up against multiple opponents (big pot) with a monster hand.

donny5k
07-05-2005, 03:27 AM
This is a good point. To elaborate on it, why are you playing 44 here if you don't want to continue on basically the only board you can be comfortable on other than a set board? Playing just for set value can't be profitable against just the blinds unless they really suck, and if they really suck you shouldn't be folding this hand.

donny5k
07-05-2005, 03:28 AM
What happened to push every edge no matter how small (granted this should be changed to almost every at early levels of an SNG)?

unreal_nh
07-05-2005, 03:37 AM
yeah i guess if u had a decent read on the blinds it might be worth to try and take the pot with an open raise preflop, if you were confident enough you could out-play them. but all that said i still wouldnt get involved when your only playing for 45 chips.

adanthar
07-05-2005, 09:45 AM
In a 1K chip SNG, I'm leading out Hands 1 and 3 and taking it from there.

I think Hand 2 is fine (although against a LAG, I'd call this and then raise any non-heart turn.)

Unarmed
07-05-2005, 09:56 AM
Hand 2 is a pretty easy check/fold, your hand is way to vulnerable.

Hand 3 I check/fold as well, you may not even have the best hand on the flop, the river's a long way away even if you do, and your reverse implied odds suck.

Hand 1 I probably check/raise the flop. CO has sh*t, BB either flopped it or has a lone high diamond. (He's BB so the latter is far more likely) If either player comes along my stack is going in on a non-diamond turn. This is potentially way too aggro, as I really can't withstand a semibluff all-in by BB on the flop. Then again, I don't see many players doing this sort of thing. Plus I'm a psycho so I wouldn't be able to stop myself from potting it.

DISCLAIMER: I play the blinds differently than most on this forum. If I lead I have either a complete monster or absolutely nothing, and the latter play is only necessary if people are paying attention.

Wes ManTooth
07-05-2005, 10:28 AM
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I like your play in the first two hands, although i would probably lead out on hand 3. Alternatively you could try a check raise here.

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Check raise on hand 3 ???
its a 4 handed flop, level 1, an UTG limper, anyone could have a set... I dont think this is a good time for a check raise.