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private joker
07-04-2005, 04:00 PM
Villain is loose and fishy.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

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Hybrid_11
07-04-2005, 04:11 PM
Is villain loose/passive or loose/aggresive?

I probably lead out and call a raise if he is passive
and check/raise, call a 3-bet if hes aggresive.
Evan
07-04-2005, 04:14 PM
Bet-call.
KDawgCometh
07-04-2005, 04:38 PM
i think a bet/call on this river is probably best. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows you a lower flush, but just incase he went fishing and hit a set, or slowplayed a set that backfired on the turn
Willluck
07-04-2005, 04:43 PM
c/r and call a 3-bet.
KDawgCometh
07-04-2005, 04:46 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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we cost ourselves an extra bet for the times that we are beat. bet/calling lets us lose less for the times we are behind, and we still get just as much out of the pot if we CR and the villian calls
Willluck
07-04-2005, 04:50 PM
I think we are ahead quite a bit when he 3-bets, IMO.
MarkD
07-04-2005, 04:50 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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This sucks.
Willluck
07-04-2005, 04:51 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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This sucks.

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It rocks because...
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Villain is loose and fishy.

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jgorham
07-04-2005, 04:59 PM
You do realize that everytime we are beat villain will bet, and 3bet? Yet when we are ahead, he will often check behind do to the action?

Bet/call is the way to go here.
KDawgCometh
07-04-2005, 05:01 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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This sucks.

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yeah, which does make the villian peeling to hit a set a likelyhood. since PJ didn't give any stats or much of a description on the villian here other than loose and fishy, we don't have much to go by. If we are CRing this and calling a three bet, then why not cap it if we are ahead often enough to call the three bet
istewart
07-04-2005, 05:01 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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This sucks.

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Villain is loose and fishy.

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Fishy != LAG.
Willluck
07-04-2005, 05:02 PM
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You do realize that everytime we are beat villain will bet, and 3bet? Yet when we are ahead, he will often check behind do to the action?

Bet/call is the way to go here.

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If he is loose and fishy and he capped the turn, I think he will almost certainly bet the river with his lower flush, or top two. Often times he will even three bet with a lower flush.
MarkD
07-04-2005, 05:04 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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This sucks.

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It rocks because...
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Fishy != LAG.

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Exactly. If he is LAG I may check/raise but your opponent is going to check behind too often on this board to try a check raise here. Bet to make sure at least one big bet goes into the pot on this river. The times that he raises you with a worse hand and you miss a 3-bet will balance with the times that he raises you with a better hand and you are forced to call.

Bet and call.
Willluck
07-04-2005, 05:05 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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Villain is loose and fishy.

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yeah, which does make the villian peeling to hit a set a likelyhood. since PJ didn't give any stats or much of a description on the villian here other than loose and fishy, we don't have much to go by. If we are CRing this and calling a three bet, then why not cap it if we are ahead often enough to call the three bet

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I don't think we are ahead often enough to cap, but maybe...HMMM.
Willluck
07-04-2005, 05:07 PM
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c/r and call a 3-bet.

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This sucks.

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Fishy != LAG.

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But fishy players play "monsters" aggressively, at least in my experience.
KDawgCometh
07-04-2005, 05:07 PM
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I don't think we are ahead often enough to cap, but maybe...HMMM.

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which is why I don't like CRing it and calling a three bet, which is why bet/call is probably the smart line
sy_or_bust
07-04-2005, 06:18 PM
I would bet/call
jason_t
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
If you did anything other than bet/call, I really think you fuc[/i]ked up this AJs hand.
cold_cash
07-04-2005, 06:36 PM
1 or 2, not 0 or 3.
private joker
07-05-2005, 03:45 AM
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If you did anything other than bet/call, I really think you fuc[/i]ked up this AJs hand.

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Good, because I bet/called.

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