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dark_horse

07-04-2005, 05:04 AM

i'm not a big fan of the miniraise, but his stack was getting so short that i wanted to extract as much as i could on the flop. bet out instead because of flush draw? i'm never sure when to slowplay. i generally don't like doing it.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($52.25)
MP1 ($142.95)
MP2 ($79.18)
CO ($51)
Button ($36)
SB ($48)
Hero ($61.02)
UTG ($90.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, MP2 calls $2.

Flop: ($7.75) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $5, Hero raises to $10, MP2 folds, CO raises to $20, Hero raises to $30, CO raises to $48.5 (All-In), Hero calls $18.50.

fuzzbox

07-04-2005, 05:06 AM

Might as well push when he makes the 3rd raise - its all going in now regardless.

I prefer a raise to 15 or so on the flop.

wtfsvi

07-04-2005, 06:23 AM

Min-raise is ok if he's bad and don't reallize/consider that you will put in the rest of the money as well every time he's beaten. If I'm villain I'm reading it as stronger than a push. (So you should push.)

Lead the flop because of the flush draw and because of position. Especially if villain is likely to have a hand when he raises preflop.

kongo_totte

07-04-2005, 06:39 AM

I'd probably lead this flop even if there wasn't a flush draw there, especially if CO is on the passive side pre-flop. Lately, I have really become a fan of the lead-call flop, check-raise turn, with a set OOP vs. PFR. With that hand a want his stack, which I won't get either way if he has AK/AQ. Lead to represent over pair or flush draw. If opp. is on an over pair, he'll most likely raise and you call. If you check it to him on the turn, he can't really check behind in fear of a draw. Remember, this line requires that you sometimes/often lead with say As Ks on this board aswell.

NYCNative

07-04-2005, 06:49 AM

I would never check that flop with the flush draw. I lead the flop with a $8 bet and if raised, I would rereraise/push.

wtfsvi

07-04-2005, 07:01 AM

Yes, I agree. Lead without the two-flush board as well. Imagine MP2 calling and CO making a pot sized raise. Beautiful.

lange101

07-04-2005, 04:21 PM

Did he have an overpair? If not what did he end up with?

dark_horse

07-04-2005, 04:43 PM

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Did he have an overpair? If not what did he end up with?

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yeah, JJ. if i raised him all-in after he reraised my c/r, maybe he might have folded.. not sure