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Roman
07-03-2005, 07:43 PM
I am thinking of buying this for use in 215 and 109 sngs on party. Does anyone have it? What do you think about it if you do?

flyingmoose
07-03-2005, 07:46 PM
It's too inaccurate for me to consider it. If the win/loss records were complete, I'd already own it.

dmmikkel
07-03-2005, 07:55 PM
I use it to find out who are regulars etc not so much for the ITMs.

Roman
07-03-2005, 08:03 PM
yea thats pretty much what im looking for too

Moonsugar
07-03-2005, 08:19 PM
How does that info help you?

Freudian
07-03-2005, 08:20 PM
Don't think it works on the skins I play. And if it did, I probably wouldn't use it considering how misleading it is for my current accounts.

pergesu
07-03-2005, 08:21 PM
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I use it to find out who are regulars etc not so much for the ITMs.

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I'm a regular, and I'm horrible at poker

Roman
07-03-2005, 08:35 PM
if someone has 750 215s under their belt with a decent win %, chances are they are pretty competent and I need to watch out for them.

even if having this info saves me one buyin... its worth it.

Moonsugar
07-03-2005, 10:19 PM
See, now you mention win %. Before you said just to pick out regulars.

The whole problem with the software is that the ITM are way off AND that the samples are way too small. My ITM is frigging 48% over 600 games. I don't think that's possible is it? LMAO.

Most people have way less than 500 games and the best SnG player in the world can be losing after that. Maybe in a year or so when the have improved data collection and sample size.

proell
07-03-2005, 10:20 PM
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if someone has 750 215s under their belt with a decent win %, chances are they are pretty competent and I need to watch out for them.


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I just bought it last week and this is also how I have found it valuable. As a generalization I find there is a big difference between someone who has logged hundreds of sngs vs someone with minimal experience.

Also, in the lower limits I have found players with hundreds of sngs that also have ITMs below 25%. This is also useful information even if it is not 100% accurate.

I am hoping that the upcoming version can really fix some of the shortcomings with the software, specifically for multitabling. As it is right now the auto-lookup is almost useless.

Blarg
07-03-2005, 10:59 PM
I really wish they would give you ROI figures. ITM seems almost meaningless to me. If you had a 50% ITM you could still be losing money, and at a pretty significant clip, too. It's a statistic with an extremely weak correlation to profitability -- even assuming it IS collected in roughly accurate measure.