an unconventional player?

[Mikey]

I was watching a 15-30 game at the Taj and look at what I wintnessed.

I was roaming the casino as usual looking for a stake when I saw the following hand arised at 15-30 stud. While the hand was taking place, the low card 4c was the bring in and he brought it in for $15. The guy on his left said, you really shouldn't raise like that unless you have a hand and called, 3 other people behind them called as well.

As the hand was continuing to take place the 4c and the person to his left engaged in further conversation. The 4c said but I do have a hand, I have a pocket pair. The other guy asked, what pocket pair? (meanwhile 4th street is being dealt) The 4c said I have Aces, Look!

He flopped his hand open so the whole table could see it on 4th street.

He bet $15 and the person to his left and everyone else called. 4 callers!!!

On 5th street with the Aces exposed he bet again and everyone called!!!!

On 6th street he makes an open pair and is the high hand and bets EVERYONE CALLS!!!!

On 7th street he looks down at his river card and says, if you can beat Aces Up raise. He bet and everyone folded. I did not get to see his river card. Nor did anyone else.

I mean at first thinking about it....I thought it was ridiculous for the person to show his Aces....but apparently the most ridiculous thing I saw was that everyone called him down attempting to outdraw him and everyone missed.

WOW!

[Dynasty]

the most ridiculous thing I saw was that everyone called him down attempting to outdraw him and everyone missed.

Did you consider the possibility that they had the proper odds to chase a single pair of Aces? You don't fold simply because somebody has a better hand, especially in stud.

[docidiot]

Is it possible for anyone in the hand (other than aces up) to NOT be playing optimally? How much better off could they have been? Someone was playing with their cards turned up. Assuming they were playing the odds correctly, they had to have been playing properly. Additionally, none of them could have been drawing dead, and all figured to be paid off if they did make a better hand. The guy tabling his hand was the most ridiculous part of this game.

[Mikey]

an argument could be made for 1 or at most 2 of them to draw out....but not all 4!!

[Josh W]

I was told this story by a habitual liar, so it may not be true. But it's fascinating.

A player raises UTG, and shows his AA. The next player and button both call. UTG bets the whole way INCLUDING THE RIVER, and wins when both opponents muck on the river.

The question is, which mistake was the greatest:

1.) Showing the AA
2.) UTG+1 calling the preflop bet
3.) UTG betting the river.

Beats me, and I'll probably never see this thread again, and the situation probably didn't really happen, and, yeah.

Josh

[docidiot]

1,3,2

[GOODBEATGUY2001]

By showing his hole cards, had anyone raised anytime, he would have been forced into a check call mode or fold. /forums/images/icons/confused.gif

[Billy LTL]

I think the most ridiculous part of the hand you described was that second highest pair didn't raise on fifth street.

Bests, Billy

[cero_z]

Mikey,
As Dynasty explained, it's often correct to chase in stud, even when you're positive you're beaten. That said, some of the players were almost certainly wrong to call.
This hand occurred in a 3-6 Hold'em home game in Madison, WI: Very frustrated player raised UTG and flips over KK; action goes call, call, call, and then the resident maniac raises "to make him think I had aces." KK ends up being beaten by KJo (straight), who claims he "didn't see the KK until I'd already called."

[Tommy Angelo]

"but apparently the most ridiculous thing I saw was that everyone called him down attempting to outdraw him"

Those plays didn't strike me as ridiculous. I think if we did a the EV on all betting decisions after the aces were exposed, we'd find the bet on seventh street to be the worst play of the hand, maybe by a long way.

Tommy

[Clarkmeister]

That's a hell of a good point.

[Jimbo]

Tommy perhaps you did not read the same post I did. I believe his river bet was brilliant. You are inviting someone to bluff at you, if successful you gain two more bets. In addition you are inviting a hand that improved to raise you knowing you caught another ace and filled up on the river and you make at least three more bets. I suspect even this player would have checked if he had not filled up.

[Tommy Angelo]

"perhaps you did not read the same post I did."

Perhaps you are right. It never occured to me that he filled up, or that people would hand him three bets on the river if he did.

Tommy