Semi-bluff raising the turn against a PFR

[baronzeus]

Both players in here typical.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...

[krishanleong]

fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

[baronzeus]

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fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

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I called with the intention of raising any non-ace turn.

[marand]

I would fold preflop. Do you think this is an easy call preflop?
Easy fold on the flop.
Hmmm, on the turn I really don't know, but I wouldn't have made it that far /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[krishanleong]

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fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

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I called with the intention of raising any non-ace turn.

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Then I hate it. I don't make moves like this. It's not even heads up.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

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I would fold preflop. Do you think this is an easy call preflop?

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I call with Kxs if it looks like it will be 4 way.

Krishan

[marand]

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fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

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I called with the intention of raising any non-ace turn.


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I don't think that kind of "move" is profitable against typical opponents. Typical opponents are too loose and calls with trash. Thats why we seek them out. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[baronzeus]

you're prolly right, but it was a very easy flop/turn to miss.

I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards) and I'm getting 5:1 this is an easy call.

[krishanleong]

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you're prolly right, but it was a very easy flop/turn to miss.

I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards) and I'm getting 5:1 this is an easy call.

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no, how many outs are you giving yourself?

Krishan

[baronzeus]

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you're prolly right, but it was a very easy flop/turn to miss.

I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards) and I'm getting 5:1 this is an easy call.

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no, how many outs are you giving yourself?

Krishan

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I'm talking about the preflop call in the second sentence.

But I think representing a queen by raising this turn did 2 things. 1) pushed out mid pair and 2) makes A high fold

[mtdoak]

How is this a semibluff? You have bottom pair. And no redraws. IMHO, against typical players, the only hand your going to get fold is a hand you beat.

[Alobar]

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I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards)

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I really don't like this statement. Heck, by your logic, you should call with any 2 cards that aren't an ace then. I call here PF as well, but not because I think most people raise Ax.

Fold the flop.

[baronzeus]

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How is this a semibluff? You have bottom pair. And no redraws. IMHO, against typical players, the only hand your going to get fold is a hand you beat.

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If you are in UTGs shoes, or the PFRs shoes, and you have a pair of 8s, or 99, or TT, or JJ, or Ax, calling a turn checkraise on a paired Q board is a very difficult thing to do. My flop call was bad, admittedly, but I like the turn play in this case.

[Jeff W]

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Do you think this is an easy call preflop?

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Yeah. I'd call any two suited getting 7.4:1 in a 4-way pot.

[Alobar]

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Do you think this is an easy call preflop?

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Yeah. I'd call any two suited getting 7.4:1 in a 4-way pot.

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even crap suited cards like 62s?

[Jeff W]

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Yeah. I'd call any two suited getting 7.4:1 in a 4-way pot.

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even crap suited cards like 62s?

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Yeah.