SippinQQ

[SippinSoma]

Button is 53/1/.6 over 350 hands. Typical 2/4 Calling station.
MP1 is 47/6/1.8 over 180 hands. This is the first pot we butt heads in. Except for TPTK once or twice, he has not shown down less than an overpair.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero folds...

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[cold_cash]

I think this is okay.

At first I wanted to raise the turn to get the other guy out and fold if MP1 3-bets, but on further review I'm not that scared of the Button, and his calling pads the pot a bit.

Once he checkraises both of you on the river I'm pretty sure you're boned.

[Evan]

I'd raise the turn and call the river check raise.

[Alpha13]

I think it'd play out much eaiser if you raised the flop. You're probably ahead of the button but I still raise to hopefully knock out his overs and see what MP has. If he 3bets either call down or cap and call down (call a C/R)

[Evan]

Given your plan, I don't see how raising the flop made the hand any easier.

[Alpha13]

If this player 3bets the flop you can assume you're behind and call down from there (I can't toss an overpair on a flop like this, there's a small chance he has JJ or smething worse) Raising the turn is just a more expensive variation of the flop raise.

[Evan]

1. Part of your plan was to possibly cap.
2. If I think I'm ahead on the turn a high percentage of the time, shouldn't 'more expensive' say 'more profitable'?

[Alpha13]

1. I generally would not cap unless this guy does strange things which I may consider capping then.

2. Yes but do you think you are ahead a high percentage of the time agaisnt a 6 PFR that capped preflop and led the flop? Find out when it's cheap, if he slows down then you are probably ahead, if not I start worrying about AA/KK

[Evan]

His AF is high enough that I'd be suspicious of weird [censored] despite his low PFF, that's why I call the river c/r.

[SippinSoma]

Evan, I'm 95% sure if I don't raise that button will call down the whole way.

[Evan]

Yea, the problem there is sort of two-fold.

1. When a pot gets capped 3 ways preflop it gets sizeable rather quickly, so it becomes valuable to protect against relatively few outs more often than usual.
2. Though QQ is a huge hand, there are 8 overcards to it. 255 (or whatever it was) isn't a board that hits a lot of hands, even with idiots. So it becomes more likely he's calling with overcards rather than a weak made hand. For that reason, I think it's important to raise and give him a chance to fold outs agaisnt you.

[SirFelixCat]

I agree with the poster who said raise the flop and call down. With it capped preflop, I'd have a hard time buying that either player have hands in which that flop hit in the face.

[Ed Miller]

[ QUOTE ]
[16:17] &lt;@ED_MILLER&gt; Question: What structure in the back of the brain governs motor control?
[16:17] &lt;@ED_MILLER&gt; Answer: **********
[16:17] &lt;mmbt0ne&gt; terry schiavo

[/ QUOTE ]

Who's the imposter?

[PokerBob]

I hate the river fold.

[ClaytonN]

Hahahahaha

[cnfuzzd]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[16:17] &lt;@ED_MILLER&gt; Question: What structure in the back of the brain governs motor control?
[16:17] &lt;@ED_MILLER&gt; Answer: **********
[16:17] &lt;mmbt0ne&gt; terry schiavo

[/ QUOTE ]

Who's the imposter?

[/ QUOTE ]

drop by, find out,,,

peace

john nickle

[MEbenhoe]

[ QUOTE ]


[16:17] &lt;@ED_MILLER&gt; Question: What structure in the back of the brain governs motor control?
[16:17] &lt;@ED_MILLER&gt; Answer: **********
[16:17] &lt;mmbt0ne&gt; terry schiavo

Seacrest out.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ed Miller bot Trivia is awesome. Also, you left out me answering that question correctly. Cerebellum. mwhahahaha, I am the master of Ed Miller trivia.

[ClaytonN]

You are wrong. I am the dominant Ed Miller trivia player. I have won 10-0 by myself. I own.

And right now Im having trouble reconnecting to IRC.

[MEbenhoe]

[ QUOTE ]
You are wrong. I am the dominant Ed Miller trivia player. I have won 10-0 by myself. I own.

And right now Im having trouble reconnecting to IRC.

[/ QUOTE ]

Could you be any more of a liar? Especially after me and mmbt0ne just took on the rest of the IRC channel and won 2 games to 1.

[Luv2DriveTT]

Let me guess...

Showdown: MP1 &amp; Button both show 2 pair. Why are you so afraid of an overpair?

Call the flop

Raise the turn, protect your hand. I'd even cap it if I had to. Button will probably be long gone by now unless he has you both beat with a slowplayed set, and you will no longer have to worry about him on the river.

DON'T FOLD THE RIVER... you can't fold the river against MP1, the pot is way too big.

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[Evan]

Capping the turn here is surely a mistake. When he 3 bets the turn you really have to be searching to narrow him down to a range of hands where you have enough equity to 3 bet.

[Luv2DriveTT]

[ QUOTE ]
Capping the turn here is surely a mistake. When he 3 bets the turn you really have to be searching to narrow him down to a range of hands where you have enough equity to 3 bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

If villain 3 bets and the hero checks, he will call a river bet. If the Hero caps the turn there is a good chance the villain will check the river, allowing the Hero to choose his next action.

TT

PS: I edited my post while you were responding. How is Cali?

[Evan]

The idea of capping the turn for a free showdown doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anything I'd rather let him have the initiative when i'm beat so that I can raise when I catch on the river.

Cali's fun. Sunny and 70 every day, can't beat that.

[Luv2DriveTT]

[ QUOTE ]
The idea of capping the turn for a free showdown doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anything I'd rather let him have the initiative when i'm beat so that I can raise when I catch on the river.

Cali's fun. Sunny and 70 every day, can't beat that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I like your line better Evan, thanks.

I'm hating you right now, I'm down in foggy Cape May NJ hanging with the east coast rednecks (I had no idea they even exist!) waiting patiently to head back to AC on Monday. Make sure you take advantage of the sun, remember what Bison said...

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[sthief09]

this is enough doubt in his play to call the river. I actually think folding is really bad

and you gotta raise somewhere. button is loose enough to call 2 cold without much of a hand. I raise the flop and hope he cold calls

[jason_t]

You pressed the wrong buttons when you played this hand.

[MEbenhoe]

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