lstream
07-02-2005, 12:10 PM
The chapter in SCSFAP beginning on page 141 has been coming up a lot for me, and I think I am in violation of what it says many times. I want to explain my thinking on why I am doing this and hopefully get some good feedback.
Here is an example - I am third to act and have a pair of live jacks, but not a great kicker. There is an ace and a queen yet to act. Often there is say an ace and two queens yet to act.
At the 5/10 tables I find that many people limp-in if they have nothing else besides the broadway door card. At the same time, many of these players are overly passive (at least in my opinion). In these situations I often complete hoping to drive all or some of these players off the hand.
Now from what I can tell of the book's advice, I should NOT be completing with these mediocre hands. I should be putting in as little money as possible and perhaps raising on fourth if one of the overcards bets into me. Keeping the pot small on third should help thin the field better on fourth.
The problem I see with this in a table full of passive limpers is that if I let them limp on third and any of them catches even a baby pair with their door card, then I can't seem to get rid of them, and my jacks are really vulnerable. On the other hand, these same guys seem to give up easily on third if I complete on them.
Now if I try the completion, and one of the overcards actually has something, these same guys will often just call, and I end up thinking I am ahead and I'm not.
So you can likely see that my thinking is perhaps muddied up here. Should I just do exactly what 7CSFAP says, or does it make sense to be violating the "rules" in these circumstances?
Here is an example - I am third to act and have a pair of live jacks, but not a great kicker. There is an ace and a queen yet to act. Often there is say an ace and two queens yet to act.
At the 5/10 tables I find that many people limp-in if they have nothing else besides the broadway door card. At the same time, many of these players are overly passive (at least in my opinion). In these situations I often complete hoping to drive all or some of these players off the hand.
Now from what I can tell of the book's advice, I should NOT be completing with these mediocre hands. I should be putting in as little money as possible and perhaps raising on fourth if one of the overcards bets into me. Keeping the pot small on third should help thin the field better on fourth.
The problem I see with this in a table full of passive limpers is that if I let them limp on third and any of them catches even a baby pair with their door card, then I can't seem to get rid of them, and my jacks are really vulnerable. On the other hand, these same guys seem to give up easily on third if I complete on them.
Now if I try the completion, and one of the overcards actually has something, these same guys will often just call, and I end up thinking I am ahead and I'm not.
So you can likely see that my thinking is perhaps muddied up here. Should I just do exactly what 7CSFAP says, or does it make sense to be violating the "rules" in these circumstances?