Played Chinese Poker at the Wynn Today...

[Xelent]

We played 2-7 low for the middle hand with $20 a point and I was wondering what skills there are to the game other than setting up the mathematically best version of your 13 cards.

[Danielih]

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We played 2-7 low for the middle hand with $20 a point and I was wondering what skills there are to the game other than setting up the mathematically best version of your 13 cards.



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There are precious few people who can do this if any.

The other skill is deviating from what would be optimal strategy based on how your opponents play.

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I've thought about this game a bit, I wonder if it's just to close in skill level that you could not get sufficient edge to beat the rake. But I think if you play against chinese people they'll be superstitious and play badly enough to take advantage.

[Iceman]

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I've thought about this game a bit, I wonder if it's just to close in skill level that you could not get sufficient edge to beat the rake. But I think if you play against chinese people they'll be superstitious and play badly enough to take advantage.

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The game has a very high luck factor unless you have at least one total idiot in the game. There isn't much skill beyond a few basic strategies really, and almost all decisions are either pretty straightforward or they are close enough that it doesn't matter that much either way.

[Danielih]

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The game has a very high luck factor unless you have at least one total idiot in the game. There isn't much skill beyond a few basic strategies really, and almost all decisions are either pretty straightforward or they are close enough that it doesn't matter that much either way.


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Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Come play Chinese with me anyday

[Luv2DriveTT]

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I've thought about this game a bit, I wonder if it's just to close in skill level that you could not get sufficient edge to beat the rake. But I think if you play against chinese people they'll be superstitious and play badly enough to take advantage.

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The game has a very high luck factor unless you have at least one total idiot in the game. There isn't much skill beyond a few basic strategies really, and almost all decisions are either pretty straightforward or they are close enough that it doesn't matter that much either way.

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You are SOOOOOOO wrong. Chinese Poker is a game of great variance, but I generally demolish my opponents if given enough time.

(I only play for between 1 to 5 buckes per point because my roll isn't big enough to blay in the bigger games)

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[chev9]

Can I get a one paragraph summary of how this game is played? I saw a post in one of the WSOP blogs how Brunson played this with someone (Layne Flack maybe?) during one of the breaks at their table. That was the first I had heard of it.

[Xelent]

Can you guys elaborate instead of just saying wrong and you can mop the floor with people? That is what this post is about.

And for how the game is played:

Up to 4 players get 13 cards each and you have to re-arrange them into three poker hands. Two 5 card hands on the bottom and One 3 card hand on top. We played where the middle hand is the best 2-7 lowball hand, the bottom hand also has to be stronger than your top hand. So you can't just put trips on top and two pair on the bottom. After everyone arranges their hands, the cards are flipped over. Your 3 hands go against each opponents three hands. If player A has a better top hand and bottom hand than player B, but player B has a better middle hand (lowballl) than he won that round 2-1 = 1 Player B will give player A one chip of the value of a point. If you sweep someone and beat them in all three hands they owe 4 chips. You can also surrender for 2 chips. I may have missed something or could be wrong on a couple things, this was my first time.

[Don Smolen]

http://www.thesmolens.com/Don/Chinese/Index.asp

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How much did they charge for the dealer/table?

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I've thought about this game a bit, I wonder if it's just to close in skill level that you could not get sufficient edge to beat the rake. But I think if you play against chinese people they'll be superstitious and play badly enough to take advantage.

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The game has a very high luck factor unless you have at least one total idiot in the game. There isn't much skill beyond a few basic strategies really, and almost all decisions are either pretty straightforward or they are close enough that it doesn't matter that much either way.

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You are SOOOOOOO wrong. Chinese Poker is a game of great variance, but I generally demolish my opponents if given enough time.

(I only play for between 1 to 5 buckes per point because my roll isn't big enough to blay in the bigger games)

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Please elaborate why you are such a stud at Chinese Poker. If everyone is playing competently, where does your edge come from?

$20 a point is a big game???

[Luv2DriveTT]

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Please elaborate why you are such a stud at Chinese Poker. If everyone is playing competently, where does your edge come from?

$20 a point is a big game???

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I'm no stud in CP, I have an extra edge over my opponents because they think its all luck, and I know its not. Get Don Somolen's book & simulator, you will see what I'm talking about - its all you need.

$20 a point is a big game (not huge, but big) if bonuses are played, or if its only played for a short time frame. I've played online for $1 a point, and when I run bad my roll disappears super fast, faster than any other game I have played. Conversely big wins mop up the floor. But in the long run its all about getting many smaller wins, thats the secret to CP success.

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Please elaborate why you are such a stud at Chinese Poker. If everyone is playing competently, where does your edge come from?


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You would be amazed at how many people just make the best hand possible for the bottom, then the best hand possible for the middle, then the best top.

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Please elaborate why you are such a stud at Chinese Poker. If everyone is playing competently, where does your edge come from?

$20 a point is a big game???

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I'm no stud in CP, I have an extra edge over my opponents because they think its all luck, and I know its not. Get Don Somolen's book & simulator, you will see what I'm talking about - its all you need.

$20 a point is a big game (not huge, but big) if bonuses are played, or if its only played for a short time frame. I've played online for $1 a point, and when I run bad my roll disappears super fast, faster than any other game I have played. Conversely big wins mop up the floor. But in the long run its all about getting many smaller wins, thats the secret to CP success.

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I have Smolen's book and software. Its good. I guess that's what I mean about playing competently.

I just play at the beach against guys who really don't know what they are doing.

Where can you play online?

[randomstumbl]

I'm pretty sure Pokerroom has a seperate Chinese poker client. As far as I know, that's the only place online.

[beset7]

I'm curious, for those of you who have used the Smolen book and simulator, how long it took you to feel competent in the game? There are a bank of asian casino employees in my area that rent a few hotel rooms once a month and play CP for decent stakes. They are all psycho-lAG supersituous pai gow playing type gamblers and I'm sure the game must be good. I just don't want to go in to a situation like before I'm ready.

[Luv2DriveTT]

About 1 month. Its semi-easy to memorize the tables. Before I play I give myself a refresher course.

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[Mr. Peanut]

Has anyone figured out the WP numbers when playing 2-7 in the middle?

[Xelent]

It was in the middle of the night on a non-busy day and all the players were regulars, so they actually let us play rake free which was really nice of them. We tipped the dealers very generously.

[W. Deranged]

I have no idea but that game sounds absolutely amazing...

[Quicksilvre]

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I have no idea but that game sounds absolutely amazing...

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There were two CP events at the WSOP in 1995 and 1996, but it was dropped thereafter. It's mostly a game for folks who like to play with 98% luck and 2% skill.