Rebuying Maniac

[XXXNoahXXX]

$30+3 tourney on party poker and a guy at my table did the all-in rebuy trick I think 8 times in a row (so thats like over $250). He lost two, including one to me, and ended up with 6K plus while the average is still something like 1025. Is he smarter than me or is this taking a good idea too far? I mean, more chips are nice, but now hes basically gotta make the final table to break even. What are your thoughts?

[XXXNoahXXX]

He has since done the all-in rebuy 3 more times. he has 12k and the average is under 2, but now hes committed nearly $400. 10th place wont even pay that. Am i missing something?

[TheTimeIsUp]

Is it that hard to figure out? He is a good, known player. He obviously wants a big payday, not a hundred or two profit.

[TomCollins]

I did this trick in the $10 rebuy. I'm chipleader with 50 left. I found it to be pretty helpful.

[XXXNoahXXX]

Yeah but he wasn't waiting for good spots, he was doing it preflop everytime with hands like 68 and 4K, so he ended up doubling other people up on like 4 of his all-ins (including me twice so im not complaining). I just thought he might at least wait til he's in position, not UTG. I'll let you know if it works out for him.

[TheTimeIsUp]

Wether he does good or not doesn't depend soley on this. That would be a terrible evaluation.

[XXXNoahXXX]

Yeah I know one tourney won't tell the tale of whether or not this strategy is profitable. Ever since the rebuy bonanza, hes played just his blinds and a AKs so obviously hes got a strategy in mind. And even if he sat out every hand now, he'd make it to the add-on period.

[dfan]

First of all Noah, you exaggerate all of your "facts." Second you steal another 2+2 poster's reply and use his words verbatim as your own on the table.

YOu are quite a nit, to put it politely.

[XXXNoahXXX]

I have no idea what you're talking about? Please explain.

[XXXNoahXXX]

PS- I know who the guy I was talking about was, and I know hes a very high quality player(far superior to myself), I just wanted to know how successful this tactic was, whether it was a good idea. And of course, just to put an exclamation point on him knowing exactly what hes doing, he is currently tournament chip leader.

[dfan]

Don't even try it Noah. You were a jerk at the table and you know it. Or at least you should be that self-aware. Several players were new to re-buys and were asking you about it, but all you gave them was smart-ass replies.

In case you really don't understand what I am talking about:

Exaggeration:

Noah on 2+2: He did the all-in rebuy trick I think 8 times in a row (so thats like over $250).

But Party HH says: rebought 5 times in row (150+)

Noah: He has since done the all-in rebuy 3 more times. ... but now hes committed nearly $400

Party HH: 2 more times, committing $230ish total

Noah: He has 12k
Party HH: He hadn't reached 11k at that point, and never did at that table.

Question from fellow player at the table about the number of rebuys he did: "He does? I only saw one rebuy."

Noah: Nevermind. It's over your head.

2nd fellow player: how do you rebuy when your chips are over 1000 it wont let you?
Noah: u cant. i made a mistake pardon me


And of course reading a reply at 2+2, running back to the table and using someone elses words --

Primetime: "He is a good, known player. He obviously wants a big payday, not a hundred or two profit."

Noah, replying soon after to a question at the table: "Whereas some people would be happy making the money, hes committed to a big payday"

Like I said - you're a nit, Noah. Grow up and try to be helpful to your fellow poker players instead of talking down to them from your table coach perch.

[ZBTHorton]

I'm confused. I vote we drop this thread.

[dfan]

Sorry, it's just that I was at that table and Noah was a jerk to anyone who asked him a question. Then I came to the forum to find out what I could about the "all-in/rebuy everytime" start-up strategy and saw his post which had several exaggerated claims about this particular player's actions. The whole enchilada just stuck in my craw, to mix metaphors.

Anyway, back to poker material. The player now has 29k, average is 17k, with leader at 54k. 57 players left, pays through 40 places. He had invested 33 x 7 rebuys= 231+33 entry = 267 before the first break. Add another $33 add-on I'm assuming he made, and he has put $300 into the tournament. If he makes 9th place he will have a $250 profit, 10th he loses $40. So this may or may not work out for him.

Does this seem like a worthwhile strategy if you are an above average player for the field?

[kemystery]

seen Fischman (emptyseat_88, breast_fed88) go in 3K+ in the 100 rebuy on stars, I think its great for jumpstarting your table my thinking is that with the added chips in play on your table both in your stack and available to you in other players stacks on your 'enriched' table, as well as the flexibility of a deeper stack - allowing you to play more flops can make it a worthwhile scenario.

I would think you might have to get the table started and then back off a bit if you don't double up/ triple up in the first few rebuys. Sometimes the table just goes nuts when you start right off pushing /images/graemlins/grin.gif

- this guy "THEAGGRESSOR', was in over 400 in the 10 rebuy a few weeks back, I had a 20K stack at the addon. I've been known to hit the slider a little in those....... my screenname is Rebuy Ron @ stars lol

[AceofSpades]

So rebuy ron (nice name btw), how effective have you found the tactic?

[SixgunSam]

I think that for someone that has the bankroll and the ability, then it's not a bad strategy. The extra benefit of this style is fattening up the chip stacks of the other players at his table, assuming he doesn't get moved for the next hour or so. If he's the best player at the table, then he has a good shot at getting those chips he invested back. I'm certainly not on the level where I'm willing to take this approach, but real tournament pros can use this tactic to their advantage.

[kemystery]

edited some further response into my orig reply sorry

[kemystery]

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So rebuy ron, how effective have you found the tactic?

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to be honest I think it adds a small bit of value to your table especially if you are seated on a low numbered table (@ stars anyways - meaning your table would break later in the tournament haven't played at Party since they added all the new mtt features.)

the main effect I've noticed is that when you play in the shorter fielded 10 (the 30s,50s, and 100s are usually 200-400 players for the most part.) rebuy events (NOT the 25K guaranteed 800-1000+ players) The extra chips in play offer much more playability in taking flops in the later, post add-on stages of the tournament. The same dynamic doesn't occur in the 800+ player fielded event.

[AJo Go All In]

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Dealer: Player vanhammersly finished in 1 place and received $6570

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any questions?

[raptor517]

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$30+3 tourney on party poker and a guy at my table did the all-in rebuy trick I think 8 times in a row (so thats like over $250). He lost two, including one to me, and ended up with 6K plus while the average is still something like 1025. Is he smarter than me or is this taking a good idea too far? I mean, more chips are nice, but now hes basically gotta make the final table to break even. What are your thoughts?

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this is standard for me. my record is.. something like 35 rebuys.. in the party ones, i did 18 in 18 hands in the process of losing a sidebet to be chipleader by break. that was a fun way to lose 1k. holla

[XXXNoahXXX]

I wasn't purposefully trying to "distort the facts" saying he did it 10 times or so when he only did it eigh, I was just making a broad statement, I hadn't actually been keeping track. And once I realized what was going on, I just didnt feel like getting into a whole discussion on the finer points of this tactic with other members of the table. I was playing 3-tables at once (and my screen only fits one, so its pop-up) and I didn't want to get into a whole drawn out discussion so I simply said "nevermind, I made a mistake". If you wanted to discuss it with them, you could have done so. The details weren't as important as the general question of how many rebuys prove profitable for even the best of players. I have run into the player in question both here and at the MTTs, so I know he's quality, and thats why I was asking if its something that is worthwhile for the average player. Would I benefit from several buyins or would it be throwing money away because my odds of winning the tounrey aren't as high? Should you continue to do it several times immediately or wait until your sure people will fold. (He did OK, winning some all-ins, losing some, and getting everyone to fold on others) Should I wait til I'm in late position and think i can get all folds, or should I just roll the dice and do it all at once?

[dfan]

Nevermind. It's over your head.

[dfan]

Wow, the guy did great with his multipurchase superstack. So who is this player? Is that supposed to be private knowlege?

[XXXNoahXXX]

vanhammersly....his 2+2 name is something like AJ_off or something similar. He's a dominant MTT player from way back. I've seen him at a lot of final tables (sadly i was watching from the rail)...