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SpeakEasy
07-01-2005, 03:25 PM
Trip Report to Las Vegas. Just the relevant poker-related fun stuff….

Thursday, June 9th

Arrived in Vegas around 11:30am, suitcase delayed by one flight. Therefore, I missed the 2pm Bellagio tournament. Went to the Rio at about 4pm, straight to the Pavilion and the WSOP.

Wow! That’s a hell of a lot of poker tables. The buzz in the room is incredible. Tournaments, cash games, satellites, the works. Calls for cash games in one area, satellite seating in another. At one table is Greg Raymer, Cindy Violette, John D’Agostino, Ted Forrest and some others playing a 7-card stud cash game. A small crowd watches, probably oogling the stacks of black and other colorful chips on the table as much as the play and the players.

I came armed and ready for the $2000 NLHE tournament on Friday, so I thought I’d ease into things with a satellite. $225 satellite for tournament chips, good for any WSOP tournament. 1000 starting chips, 10 players, blinds escalate every 15 or 20 minutes (I forget). Not much room to maneuver. I build the stack slowly, and we’re down to three with the blinds at 600-1200. With the three of us about equal stacks, we are each completely committed all-in if we play a hand. It becomes a complete luck-fest. I lose with A3o to Q7o. At least I got my money in with the best starting hand. High on the luck scale, low on the skill scale, I decide to move on to the cash games.

I sit at the $500 to $1500 NLHE game, $5-10 blinds. Mostly experienced players in the cash games, but also a few lose, fairly wild players at my table. One kid that was probably 21 years and a day sits down and starts raising wildly. After being down a bit, one notable hand comes up where I flop top two pair in the BB (queens and eights), and he just can’t lay it down. The whole stack goes in and now I’m up about $600 for the night, accounting for the satellite. Thanks. I’m tired, after a long day of traveling and playing.

I sign up for WSOP Event #9, and its time for bed. Phil Hellmuth signs up soon after me, and even in line he still wears the sunglasses.

Friday, WSOP Event #9

Friday is the $2000 NLHE event, with about 1400 entrants. I’m in seat 6, and the only notable player at my table is Buddy Williams in seat 8. Seat 5 is empty for about the first 10 minutes, which is then occupied by a noted pro who shall remain nameless for the purpose of my story.

He’s been to the final table at the WSOP before, and he looks every bit the part of the melancholy poker hippy, straight out of the ‘60s. Headband, ratty sweatshirt, shorts, tube socks, gym shoes. Worst of all, he smells like ass. Not a constant, overbearing ass smell, but unavoidable. Occasionally, I have to turn my head away to avoid a strong breeze of ass smell. I wonder if its really him, or just the “lucky poker clothes” that haven’t been washed for eighteen years.

After about his third hand after sitting down, Poker Hippy flops a set of tens in a raised pot on a KT8 board against what could only be AK (this other player mucked after losing). Poker Hippy doubles up, just like that. AK-guy curses, dropping the forbidden F-bomb. The dealer doesn’t call the floor and assess the ten minute cursing penalty only because the poor bastard has $50 left. (After AK-guy busted out a few hands later, the dealer noted his power: “I let that one go. Felt bad for him.”) Now ass-smelling Poker Hippy is the instant big stack to my right and he’s not going anywhere. Fabulous.

The table is playing very tight. I get complete junk except for one notable hand of the first level. Poker Hippy raises UTG+1, and I peek down at AA. I raise, thinking we’ll move that big stack one to the left. Alas, all fold, Poker Hippy notices me for the first time, ponders for about 2 seconds, and mucks. Am I playing that tight? I win a $150 pot. Fabulous.

At the start of level 2, Poker Hippy pulls out an orange, and proceeds to peel it with his fist, sans tools, like a chimpanzee would peel a banana. He bites into it like an apple, and juice is running down his hand and dripping on his clothes. This is good, because it may counteract the ass smell.

I get junk, junk, and more junk for the remainder of level 2. I make a play here and there with junk, and by the first break build up to $2900. Nothing spectacular, but respectable for my first big tournament.

As the 15 minute break starts, nearly 1400 guys all make a rush for the 12 urinals and 6 toilet stalls in the single bathroom near the poker room. What the hell are the organizers thinking?! I set off with maybe 300 adventurous souls in search of the main casino bathrooms, which is about a 6-7 minute walk, one way.

On this journey, I find myself walking next to Tobey Maguire. He’s shorter than I would have expected, if I had ever thought about Tobey Maguire’s height before, which I hadn’t. I have the urge to tell him that I have been collecting comic books since I was 15, that I have thousands of Spider-Man comics, and that my all-time favorite comic book cover is Amazing Spider-Man #252, where the black costume first appears. This is the comic book, in fact, that really got me starting collecting comics. With deference to your traditional blue and red costume, Mr. Maguire, I really like the black costume better. I realize that I’m in a small minority, but I just like the black costume. Instead, I settle for something more mundane.

“How many hands you think we’ll miss?”

“Hopefully, none. I’m just heading to Starbucks, not the can,” Spiderman replies.

“Good luck.”

“You too.”

After all these years of collecting and reading Spiderman comics, Spiderman has just wished me good luck in poker. Surreal.

As round 3 starts, Poker Hippy now has a large cup of soup. The soup smells great, so now we have lingering orange smell and soup odors to counteract the smell of ass. I want to ask him to spill some soup on his shorts, just for good measure. I consider quickly adjusting my chair and bumping him in a way that would ensure some soup spills on his clothes. Just as he is finishing his soup, however, our table breaks.

I am moved to seat #4 at a table right next to the area where ESPN is filming the final table of the $1000 NLHE rebuy tournament. This area is abuzz with excitement. The main ESPN TV screen is immediately adjacent to my table, and people are crowded by the ropes to watch the action. Miami John Cernuto is in seat #1 at my table, and both he and seat #3 have what may be the biggest stacks in the tournament at this point. I’m at about $3000, and these two may have more than $10,000.

Seat #5, to my immediately left, busts out soon after I arrive. Within 3 minutes, Spiderman appears and plops his chips at the empty seat next to me. Seat #3 nudges me, whispering: “You know who that is, right?”

“Yeah, we’ve met.” My brush with greatness continues.

For the next hour and a half, I get absolute crap for cards. I’ve played long enough to know when the cards are running good, when they’re running average, and when they’re running bad. This was really bad. This table is more aggressive than my first, and Miami John is raising liberally, and calling raises just as liberally. I remind myself, “This is no-limit hold ‘em, you don’t need cards! Play the players!” Right.

Its clearly a raise or fold table. Limping is openly mocked and snapped off with aggressive raises. I put in a few opening raises, just to stay in the game, with what have now become my premium hands like J9s and Q8o, but with a few callers and nothing on the flop each time, I just can’t afford to put more chips in harms way.

I’m playing weak tight, and I hate it, but I simply have no cards or openings to make a play. I haven’t shown a hand at this table because I haven’t played to a showdown. I have that bad feeling set in as my stack dwindles and others grow.

At the second 15 minutes break, after level 4, I have $2850. Yuck. I resolve to make it through the next two levels and to the dinner break.

More crap. I raise with 44 in MP1, the best hand I’ve seen since the AA. The flop misses, I bet, get re-raised, and have to fold.

The antes are now grinding my stack into dust. I started the level with a tower of green. “See all these green! They’re stacked so tall, they’re teetering! Don’t mess with me!!” My Tower of Green gives me confidence. Even if my chips don’t have tremendous value, I still have a lot of them because I have the mighty Tower of Green.

The antes are turning my Tower of Green into ruins. My power is fading.

Near the start of level 6, with 150/300 blinds and 25 ante, I am down to about 1000 and go all-in UTG with K7o. Time to get lucky or say goodbye. Tobey calls, and the BB raises. Crap. Tobey calls the raise, and shows AQ. The BB shows AK. Tobey hits the queen and busts us both. I stand up and see that the big screen says 435 players remaining, so I guess I went out in 435th. Now I can tell everyone that I did decent for my first big tournament, and got busted by Spiderman.

Saturday, MGM Grand

Arrive at about 11am on Saturday, and sit down at the $200 NLHE game, waiting for the $500 NLHE game. In the 200 game, it’s a therapy session for a twenty-something kid to my right who’s been playing all night. He’s now crying to the table about the girlfriend who just dumped him (the mother of his only child). He’s drinking Heineken and Scotch, always a good combination for solid poker in the morning. He’s raising if either of his two starting cards are an ace or face card. I’m generally a nice guy, but I’m just waiting for the right moment to help him slide his stack over to me. Does that make me a bad guy? Nah. No cards, and I move after 20 minutes to the bigger game.

Play at the $500 NL (2-5 blinds) game is fairly standard, not much bluffing, and I am down a few hundred in seat 1 playing uninspired poker with mediocre starting cards for a couple of hours. The action heats up when a small, quiet man arrives in seat 9 and starts raising and re-raising. He’s far too well dressed for the lunch hour at the MGM, and everyone senses that the action is going to pick up.

My runs starts with a hand while I’m in the BB. I’ve been adding to keep my stack at or near $500, just in case I actually catch some cards or see an opening to be the bully. I have named the player in Seat 7 ‘The Big Jell-O’ because he has the unfortunate tell of trembling when he has a big hand. He’s a big-boned, blubbery sort of guy who is apparently a regular, because the dealers all know him. On one prior hand, he started trembling as he raised PF and got a call from the BB. The flop was JT6, the BB led out, and as The Big Jell-O raised his trembling turned into a quivering, full-body jiggle. He might as well have shouted, “I have a Monster here!!” BB folded and he turned over pocket kings. Not a set-sized Monster, but still big enough to induce full body trembles, apparently. What a horribly unfortunate tell for him.

Back to my hand in the BB. The Big Jell-O raised pre-flop to $25 and he’s shaking, so he’s got something. I peek down at A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Sweet. How can we get all the money in the pot? I raise to $75. The Big Jell-O quickly raises to $150. I pause, think, think, sending out brain waves of “ace-king, ace-king.” I’m quietly praying he has KK and not AA. I finally raise to $300. He is now a shambling, jiggling mess as he somehow manages to shove his stack forward, bulldozer-style. Neatly stacked chips crash into a pile. I saw that he had me covered by about $30 or so, so we don’t have to re-assemble the wreckage and count it out until after the hand is over.

I call. He turns over kings, I turn over the goods, and he yelps something that’s not any language. My aces hold up.

This hand starts my card rush. My spoils are still in an unstacked pile as I get A/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif in the SB on the next hand. I raise after four limpers, and all call, including the BB. Flop comes two spades. I lead out with about a third of the pot, one raise, two callers, and I call. Fourth card is a spade, with no straight-flush draw. I check, and manage to milk some more out of one player, winning at the show-down.

I win three or four more hands in the next two orbits, then get to limp in with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif in the BB with 4 other players. Flop comes 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif. I lead for $15, which shouldn’t raise any eyebrows. A young baby-face guy raises to $75. The wildish, well-dressed man calls. I just call.

The turn is Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif -- “Excellent!” (in the voice of Monty Burns) I bet $75, baby-face raises all-in for about $225 total, small quiet guy raises to $450! Most likely one has the flush, one has a four, and I can tell no one has pocket 66 by their betting. My only hesitation is that Well-Dressed Man limped with a high pocket pair, and might beat me with a lucky card on the river. I raise $300 more, and he goes away. When I turn up the sneaky full house, there’s groans all around the table, and I rake another healthy pot.

Things cool down for me after that, and I’m done when my wife and other family arrive for dinner around 4:30, up nearly $1000. MGM has a very nice room, and I will definitely play there again some day.

SpeakEasy
07-01-2005, 03:26 PM
Sunday, Bellagio

I arrive about 1:15pm for the 2pm $500 buy-in NLHE tournament. The Bellagio has upgraded and expanded the poker room, and its very nice. There’s a main floor, four tables on an upper level high-stakes area enclosed by frosted glass, and the large ultra-plush single-table high-stakes room. They have pictures of high-rollers and WPT winners on the walls, which adds a very unique touch. A flat-screen TV at the Poker Room entrance has the names and winnings of recent WPT tournament players. This may very well be the center of the poker universe, now that the WSOP has all but abandoned the downtown Horseshoe.

My tournament starts in seat 5 at a 10-handed table with players ranging from seasoned to fairly inexperienced, and a couple of stodgy old regulars. The old guys let everyone know they play here a lot by calling out to the staff and talking loudly about how they faired yesterday. We start with $2000 and 25/25 blinds, going up every 40 minutes. Overall, everyone is friendly, and play is tight from the start. I ease into tight mode, either raising or folding pre-flop. I slowly build my stack with hands that end before the showdown.

During the second level, seat 9 busts out, and Michael “The Grinder, I’m a Machine” Mizrachi plops down in his place. I wonder if his nickname started out as “The Grinder, I’m a Machine,” or if he added the “I’m a Machine”-part for his own benefit. Everyone instantly recognizes him. The guy in seat 3 has apparently met him before, and acts like he’s The Grinder’s life-long buddy. Its painful to watch a 50 year-old man kiss the ass of a 25 year-old uber-successful player.

Mizrachi is immediately the center of attention, raising PF and entering a lot of pots. He’s betting aggressively, and many yielding to his aggression. He plays with a lot of ego, and clearly likes to run the table. The way he counts chips and bets just screams confidence. Its an interesting contrast to everyone I’ve played with so far in Vegas, and he’s clearly the most bold player I’ve ever seen in person. On one particular hand, Mizrachi raises pre-flop, a stodgy old-guy in seat 1 calls, and Mizrachi leads the betting on every street with the old guy calling the flop and turn. On the river, Mizrachi bets enough to put the old guy all-in, and the old guy folds. Mizrachi flips T7o into the middle, which has connected with absolutely nothing on the board. Someone comments about “firing all three barrels,” and its even more clear that Mizrachi is playing at a level a few notches above this table. I was convinced Mizrachi had the goods.

After the first 15 minute break, during level 4, Mizrachi pulls a trick on a newbie to my left. Newbie goes all-in on a smallish stack, and everyone folds around to Mizrachi in the BB. The trick works like this:

Mizrachi collects a stack of chips in his left hand. He bets the chips with his left hand. While the chips are moving forward in the air, but before the chips have touched the table again, he quickly flips the cards with his right hand under the chips and into the muck. Then the chips hit the table (after the cards are in the muck), and he yells “Call!”

In this single set of motions, he has actually folded, while trying to trick the newbie into thinking that he has called. Newbie falls for it and flips over pocket eights. Mizrachi pauses and looks around the table, then raises his hands in the air showing no cards, waiting for everyone to notice this trick. Laughter ensues.

He’s clearly just goofing around, not trying to shoot any angles, yet at the same time I can tell that a few eyebrows are raised at the table. A few orbits later he tries the same trick against me.

I’m 99% certain he folded, but its such a quick motion that I want to make sure. I ask “You have cards?” Being tricked into flipping over my cards would be embarrassing, but folding when he actually does still have cards would be worse.

He laughs and pulls the chips back. “Nah.”

After he tries this trick for a third time, several players at the table, and the dealer, are clearly getting annoyed at his shenanigans. He’s a bold, brash player, but now he’s starting to show his age. Unfortunately, no matter how many millions he’s made at poker thus far, this is exactly how an immature player would act at the table. This might be funny in a home game, and this $500 buy-in tourney may be chump-change to him, but he’s no longer funny to the table.

My first interesting hand happens during level 4, with the blinds at 100-200 and my stack at around 6000. I’ve been folding a lot, so when its folded around to me with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif on the button, I raise to 600. SB joined just before the break. He has been talking a lot with Mizrachi, and has the full Young Asian Hipster look going. Mirrored shades, expensive shirt, necklaces and jewelry, spikey hair. He asks how much I’ve got left. I raise my arm and let him figure it out, without counting for him or saying a word. He eyeballs my stack and raises to 1200. I’ve got the vibe that he was just trying to put a scare in me and steal back, so I call. He’s been liberally calling and raising, and has me covered by maybe 500.

The flop comes Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Spike quickly shoves his stack in. My first thought is fold, it mostly missed me, and I was on a steal anyway. As I’m pondering, Spike leans forward to look around the dealer, and is checking me out. I glance over, and he’s staring. He leans in closer, and is now invading the dealer’s personal space. The dealer leans back to get out of his way, probably fearing Spike might try to plant a wet one on him.

At this point I’m thinking that he’s overtly trying to stare me out of the hand, and I’m sensing weakness. Now I’m actually running through the math. 9 outs to the nut flush. Three aces are probably good outs. If he hasn’t even paired, three 7s may also be good outs, and I would already have the best hand with ace high. I may have as many as 14 outs, which would put me over 50% to improve to a better, or nut, hand by the river.

After I run through this, he still staring, hovering over the dealer. Doesn’t he know that I’ve read Caro’s book, too? Strong means weak. I call.

He slumps back in his chair and says the two words I love to hear, “Good call.” He turns over 10/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Wow, its even better than I thought -- he’s dead to three tens. Two non-spade blanks on the turn and river, and I’m the new table captain. I feel like telling him not to be so obvious next time, but he’ll just have to figure that out himself. (After I wrote this report, I’ve since learned that Spike was actually John Phan, currently on the cover of Cardplayer magazine. Cool.)

I continue to play tight and aggressive, only folding, open raising or re-raising. This works well, and by the second 15 break I’m at $12,975 and we are down to 17 players.

We are down to 12 players and I’m about average with around $14,000. The blinds are 500-1000, 50 ante. The older guy who was previously kissing Mizrachi’s ass raises UTG to $3100. I have K/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif in the SB, and call another $2600, mainly because we’re short handed and I’m guessing I probably have the best hand or overcards to a pocket pair.

The flop comes Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. I consider the range of hands that he might have -- any pocket pair, AK down to maybe A8, and possibly some lower hands like JTs. I estimate that I’m only beat here by AQ, KK, AA or a lucky flush or set, and I’m way ahead of many other hands he might have. I go all-in. He calls, and I immediately think that I’m cooked. He flips -- 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, no diamond! I double up, he’s crippled. What a strange call, and so close to the money. My best guess is that he thought I was moving in with AK. He steam-raises all-in the next hand, gets called and knocked out.

Soon we are down to the final table of 9, with 8 places paid. We make a save for 9th place, who will get $800. I am in 2nd or 3rd in chips, depending on stack fluctuations from hand-to-hand.

When the blinds hit 800-1600/100 ante, with 8 players left, someone starts talk of a deal. The guy in 1st has about $46,000 in chips. We sat next to each other earlier and chatted -- he’s solid, not making any mistakes. I have $22,100 in chips, and am in 2nd or 3rd place. Even so, a meaningful open raise of $4,000 approaches 20% of my stack. One mistake hand and its nearly all-in or fold for me. For most of the table, its already all-in or fold. We won’t see post-flop play until we loose 3 or 4 players.

The prize pool is just over $40,000 total, after the $800 paid to 9th. The prizes are roughly:
1st -- $15,000
2nd -- $10,000
3rd -- $5300
4th -- $2800.
The proposed deal is just to chop the pot 8 even ways, with the justification being that luck will decide the final 4 or 3 players and we are all so close in chips. The guy in 1st place voices his objection, so the deal changes to $6000 for him, and the other 7 players chop the remainder evenly, which would be just under $5000 per player. I give this deal the thumbs up, knowing that I may be giving up a few hundred dollars of equity based on my current chip count in exchange for a guaranteed payment that’s nearly 3rd place money.

One old guy objects to the deal and holds out, because he’s convinced that he has nearly $40,000 in chips, too. He has huge stacks of black $100s, whereas I and several others have lots of pink $500s and some yellow $1000s. We can all see that he is miscounting his $100s, and actually has about half of what he believes he has. After some heated discussion about the size of his stack, its resolved by this exchange:

“If you have over $40,000 in chips, I’ll pay you $1000 cash right now!” says the guy to my left.

“OK, smart guy, I take that bet!” replies the old fart. “Count my stack!”

Its counted out at around $18,000. This abruptly ends the discussion, and we have a deal. It’s a wonder this old fart lasted so long in the tournament.

I have to wait for about an hour to get paid, and all awards are paid in chips. Final payout is $4,845.

As I’m leaving the poker room, the exclusive single-table private room is now populated by Jennifer Harman, Phil Ivey, David Benyamine, David Oppenheim and Eli Elezra. How in the world do these predators play with each other and make money? Maybe they’re waiting for a big fish to arrive… or maybe one of them is the big fish…

I report the results to my wife, who is eating dinner with other family. Later, after I’ve turned chips into cash, we convene out by the dancing waters for one show, then head to Noodles for my late dinner.

I’m definitely playing at the Bellagio next time.

canis582
07-01-2005, 04:05 PM
Well written and congrats, thank you for tha story.

regisd
07-01-2005, 06:36 PM
thanks for a good trip report.

i entered the bellagio daily tourney when i was out there earlier this week but busted out around the first break when my stop-and-go ran into three of a kind.

SirFelixCat
07-01-2005, 06:45 PM
Really enjoyed the write up. Thanks. Plan on playing in it when I make it up there /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Brain
07-01-2005, 09:31 PM
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Trip Report to Las Vegas. Just the relevant poker-related fun stuff….

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I stopped reading right here...


...not really. /images/graemlins/cool.gif You should have had Spiderman get you some coffee, then you could have another Spidey tale to tell.

Nice trip and great report!

STG
07-01-2005, 11:55 PM
who's the ass smelling guy?

mshalen
07-02-2005, 08:36 AM
I'm still laughing about the orange and soup comments. Fantastic post.

jaydoggie
07-02-2005, 09:31 AM
how fair are the blind structures in these? are they similar in the $200s? how often do they move up?

beerbandit
07-02-2005, 10:52 AM
nice finish


good trip report -


im surprised that somethign didnt happen with the grinder, saying call especially after his cards were mucked --- that seems shitty

cheers

ccmcc33
07-04-2005, 01:48 AM
Thanks for a great trip report. Somehow the fact that I had "Spider-Man 2" on in the background while I read it made it even better.

Stellastarr
07-04-2005, 05:21 AM
Thanks for the report. good read.

Groty
07-04-2005, 01:13 PM
ESPN just re-ran the 2004 U.S. Poker Championship held at the Taj. If I were to describe one particular pro on that footage, it would be remarkably similar to the way you described "Poker Hippy". Just a hunch....

MicroBob
07-04-2005, 04:58 PM
i've got a pretty good hunch on ass-smelling guy too.


you know...if he smelled THAT bad I wouldn't have TOO much of a problem saying his name.


I played in the $3k event this past Friday and huck Seed was next to me. He looked like he had just rolled out of bed....(but he didn't smell or anything...just a white t-shirt and show up at the tourney).
Reasonably talkative and nice in my time there.



Michael's 'trick' was pure crap. First time he did this I would NOT have been laughing.
My reaction from reading this..."what a dick."
2nd time he did this I would be asking all kinds of questions about whether such moves constituted an 'angle-shoot' and were permitted and/or were in the 'spirit' of the game.
I don't know enough about the rules myself to really know...but I would have no problem asking the question to the dealer...and calling the floor/director if necessary.

It was a REALLY crappy way to see the guy's cards and I'm pretty unimpressed.



I also might have mention something to poker-hippy about getting all sorts of orange-slime on the cards.

I'm a nit. Big deal.
I think we have a right to play without guys smelling like ass OR guys making borderling illegal angle-shoot type plays.


Played a single-table sat and big, sweaty guy in seat 1 seemed nice enough. Dealt or floored at some private-room in Pittsburgh or something. I noticed he was wearing a night-club type wristband which had to have been from the night before. He got eliminated in 4th place and both the dealer and seat 2 were talking about how badly he smelled. I was in seat 6 and couldn't smell him and they were both surprised that I couldn't even though I was on the other side.
That guy must have smelled REALLY bad. They kept trying to square the table around so they could get a few inches further away from him.
Impressive.


Spiderman sounded pretty cool though and I really enjoyed the reports.

Very nice report.


Although I haven't seen either movie...so I would have told him that I really enjoyed his performance in WonderBoys.


Nice report.

Geo
07-04-2005, 09:38 PM
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Thanks for the report. good read.

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SpeakEasy
07-05-2005, 12:18 AM
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Michael's 'trick' was pure crap. First time he did this I would NOT have been laughing.
My reaction from reading this..."what a dick."
2nd time he did this I would be asking all kinds of questions about whether such moves constituted an 'angle-shoot' and were permitted and/or were in the 'spirit' of the game.

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The thought crossed my mind to say something, but I kept quiet for a few reasons. First, he was just goofing around, in the sense that he wasn't trying to get an edge on the other players. He was playing this like we might play a $5 Party SNG -- its cheap, so have some fun. He had probably just busted out of whatever WSOP event was going on that day, because he joined as a late player after the tournament had started.

Second, if challenged, I'm sure he was ready to instantly reply how he had mucked first. The end result would be something like -- "Yeah, I'm goofing around, but I'll stop if it bothers this guy who's really uptight." He would make the protester look like more of an ass.

Third, as long as it didn't have an effect on a hand I was involved with, I didn't care much. Maybe the wrong attitude, but he busted out of the money and I was very pleased with my result. When he tried it on me, it didn't work.

doubleplus
07-05-2005, 03:35 AM
Very nice. Thanks for posting this.

MicroBob
07-06-2005, 08:49 AM
I understand not wanting to look like 'the nit' when the rest of the table is cool with it (or amused or whatever).
This has kept me from saying something on several different occasions.


I wasn't there so don't really know....but I think it might have been more of an 'angle-shoot' then you thought.
Even though he's loose and silly and having fun...he IS also trying to get the other guy to show his cards.


Anyone who pretends to have cards when they don't ....or pretends like they don't have cards when they do will get no support from me.

If a player is holding his hands out in front of his chips like he's holding his cards I might make a comment, "Umm...wait, you're out of the hand, right?" or something like that.

This has ALWAYS been just a polite comment to inform a player that the way he holds his hands is kind of making it tough to tell.


Anyway - I'm all for a good joke.
If a player takes all his chips pre-flop and then starts counting out $600 like he's going to raise 6xBB...and then looks around at everyone and quickly mucks his hand then that can be fairly amusing.

But what Michael was doing was crossing the line because he was trying to extract info (by getting the other player to show) or perhaps even extract an incorrect mis-play (like possibly getting a player to muck while he was still holding cards).


Anyway - I don't like it. But I completely understand the type of situation where you wouldn't want to speak up and be 'THAT uptight guy' who actually insists on playing by the rules.

SpeakEasy
07-06-2005, 11:14 AM
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or perhaps even extract an incorrect mis-play (like possibly getting a player to muck while he was still holding cards).

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I think this is the biggest concern. I would like to learn if he has ever done this in a major tournament ($10,000 buy-in event).