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fnord_too
07-01-2005, 11:15 AM
I am going to do some analysis on open pushing. Here are the basic simplifying assumptions I am going in with to make this doable:
Calling standards are the same for everyone left to act (I know they are not, but this makes the problem tractable in the time I have to devote to it).
The chance of anyone having a calling hand is independant
At most there will be one call
Your cards don't impact the chance of someone having a calling hand. (For instance, if you have an Ace, that DOES reduce the chance of getting calls because a lot of calling hands involve an ace, but for the first go round I am going to ignore your cards. I may do a chart for if you have one ace, too, if it looks like that will significantly impact the decision.)

So, what I am going to do is have several ranges of calling hands (that is what I want input on right now) for which I will show what percentage you need to win in a showdown if called to make open pushing +EV for various stacksizes. (For instance, you have 5BB, folded to you, tight table with 6 players including the blinds to act, what do you need to make pushing +EV? It will be any two in many scenarios.)

So, let's get some calling ranges. I'm going to throw some out, make suggestions as you see fit.

Crazy tight: AA-QQ, AK
Tight: AA-TT, AK, AQs
Normal ("I know what you are up to short stack"): AA-88, AK, AQ, AJs
Loose: AA-66, AK-AJ, ATs, KQs
Looser: AA-66, AK-AT, KQ, KJs
Very Loose: AA-22, Any 2 broadway, any suited ace

These seem like good strata?
Sam T.
07-01-2005, 11:29 AM
I suppose it depends on the level, but I'd add "Any ace" to your "Very Loose" category, because it happens all the time. Nothing like pushing on the button and getting called by A2o...
fnord_too
07-01-2005, 11:35 AM
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I suppose it depends on the level, but I'd add "Any ace" to your "Very Loose" category, because it happens all the time. Nothing like pushing on the button and getting called by A2o...

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Roger that.
schwza
07-01-2005, 11:55 AM
talk to A_plus. he's put together something similar that's pretty cool.
A_PLUS
07-01-2005, 02:10 PM
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talk to A_plus. he's put together something similar that's pretty cool.

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Thanks schwza,

PM me if you want to work together on this.

My goal was slightly different than you. Basically I controled for you starting hand and solved for stack size.
i.e. You have A4s, in the C.O. how large can your stack be for this push to be +CEV. I could easily add in a ICM calculation to use $EV. I assumed two calling ranges, one static 'normal' range of AT+ KQs, 44+. For the other range, it is all cards that have >50% equity vs your hand. (to test if the push would be +EV if your opponents knew your cards).

Let me know if you want to work together, I have a spreadsheet created that will do the EV calculations after you input the calling range and equity vs the range (Could add ICM easily)
LuvDemNutz
07-01-2005, 02:37 PM
This sounds cool -

keep us posted!
Shorty35
07-01-2005, 07:35 PM
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I suppose it depends on the level, but I'd add "Any ace" to your "Very Loose" category, because it happens all the time. Nothing like pushing on the button and getting called by A2o...

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I would think KTs, QJs (and possibly JTs) would fall into the very loose category too.

It may not be statistically significant, but I also think that there is an idiot category that includes hands like QT, K9, J9s, etc.
gergery
07-01-2005, 08:27 PM
Would this thing help? (http://home.earthlink.net/~craighowald/data/matchup2.html)