Why not Limit Poker?

[Jonathan]

The focus of this forum is exclusively NL holdem. How come
there is no discussion of limit sit and gos?

I never play limit hold 'em, neither cash ring games nor
tournaments. But today, by mistake I was 4 tabling and
I noticed to my chagrin that I had registered for a $33
LIMIT sit and go. OK. So I paid my money and I had to make
the best of it against the limit pros.

Let me tell you, I was absoulutely floored at just how weak
this table was. It struck me as much weaker than the $33
NL sit and go. I managed to work my way to 2nd place as a
4 to 1 chip underdog, and I ended up competely destroying
my opponent. Like he had no clue how to deal with aggression
on the end. I ended up taking 1st place in a game I never
play.


How come more people on this forum don't play limit sit and gos?


Suerte,
Jonathan

[r2b2]

I only play Limit SNGs and it seems like there is always one player who says how awful it is and he/she got into it by mistake.
I guess NL SNGers can't read. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Freudian]

Harder to win pots with the worst hand in limit. And the key to making money in SnGs is to win more than your fair share of hands.

[DJ Sensei]

First of all, limit is boring

Also, SNG limit seems like a pretty strange idea anyhow. The first few rounds where the blinds are so low, its almost not worth the trouble of playing anything except ultrapremium hands, if all you can win is t100.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but don't they also take a lot longer to finish, since theres no all-in until your stack is shorter than a bet? Seems like theres a much better hourly rate to be made in NL.

I cant really talk much, i havent played limit in a long time, and only once did i play a limit STT (also by accident) but as i recall, it was terribly boring.

Perhaps if anybody with much experience playing limit STTs could enlighten us as to the good reasons why anyone would play them?

[microbet]

Games aren't offered as frequently, they take longer to fill up, and when you get there, they are slower.

$/hr.

[Iamafish]

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First of all, limit is boring

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People that play limit say NL is boring.

[microbet]

Also, you play more hands, and more streets on each hand, making it more difficult to multi-table.

[Slim Pickens]

I used to play some limit STT's. It made the transition from limit ring (that's all has played before) to STT's much easier, but once I learned how to play NL, I switched over. A better player is able to leverage his skill difference more effectively in NL than the limit structure.

FWIW I think limit would be easier to multitable. More of the decisions are automatic.

[DJ Sensei]

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First of all, limit is boring

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People that play limit say NL is boring.

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Well, we don't take kindly to them.

"ooh, look at me and my 2.5 BB/hr! I'm just crushing the game!"

meh

[Jonathan]

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I only play Limit SNGs and it seems like there is always one player who says how awful it is and he/she got into it by mistake.
I guess NL SNGers can't read. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Au contraire! Its LIMIT SNGers who can't WRITE!
At least, I see very few limit hand histories here.

Suerte,
Jonathan

[jon462]

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I only play Limit SNGs and it seems like there is always one player who says how awful it is and he/she got into it by mistake.
I guess NL SNGers can't read. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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lol, I occaisonly play stud(8) sngs (they are sooo easy compared to limit or nl - but even slower than limit HE and horrible for $/rate).. and there is often 2-3 people who meant to join a stud sng and even an idiot every now and then who meant to join a NLHE sng

[bygmesterf]

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Also, you play more hands, and more streets on each hand, making it more difficult to multi-table.

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Also that makes post flop skills more important than in an NL sng where people tend to be all in preflop or on the flop.

[AliasMrJones]

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Well, we don't take kindly to them.

"ooh, look at me and my 2.5 BB/hr at 100/200! I'm just crushing the game!"

meh

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FYP

[HesseJam]

Limit tourneys are more difficult, because we are talking about real poker there and not those allin NL-pimptasms. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
I come from limit poker and find NL SnGs way easier. You can better push your luck in NL than in Limit.

[AliasMrJones]

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First of all, limit is boring

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Yeah, you actually have to, like, play post-flop and stuff. Who wants to do that?

The fact is the ability to control the pot odds you give your opponent gives a much larger edge to a good player in no limit than limit. Since there is an ample supply of NL SnG's available at the moment it only makes sense that a good player would play the NL SnG vs a limit SnG when available to take advantage of this greater edge.

Limit ring games are popular in casinos because it strikes the right balance between luck/skill to allow good players to make money, but keep the fish playing. With the popularity of WPT, etc. NL in casinos is making a comeback, but whether that will continue remains to be seen.

[The Don]

You can't protect your hand at all. Try playing QQ in the first few levels of a limits SnG, it never ends well.

[AliasMrJones]

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You can't protect your hand at all. Try playing QQ in the first few levels of a limits SnG, it never ends well.

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Please. When people say things like this it makes me immediately think they don't understand the fundamentals of poker. It is only slightly more annoying than, "I can't beat all the fish at the lowest limits. I better move up in limits so I can play against better players."

Why are so many NL players afraid to play post-flop? Yes, it is true that you can't give your opponent exactly the pot odds you wish to, but it doesn't mean you don't have ways to protect your hand.

Speaking of protecting your hand. Have you tried to protect your QQ hand in the early stages of an $11-33 NL SnG?

[45suited]

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Speaking of protecting your hand. Have you tried to protect your QQ hand in the early stages of an $11-33 NL SnG?

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In this situation, my concern isn't "protecting" my QQ hand, it's extracting value from it.

But more to the point, obviously Limit vs. NL is more a matter of personal taste, not what's better. To each his own. Who knows... for all we know, 15 years from now, Stud or Omaha might be all the rage. It doesn't mean one form of poker is "better" than another.

You know what I think is the best form of poker? The one that I have the highest ROI playing. It's amazing how well that correlates to how much I enjoy the particular game. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[The Don]

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You can't protect your hand at all. Try playing QQ in the first few levels of a limits SnG, it never ends well.

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Please. When people say things like this it makes me immediately think they don't understand the fundamentals of poker. It is only slightly more annoying than, "I can't beat all the fish at the lowest limits. I better move up in limits so I can play against better players."

Why are so many NL players afraid to play post-flop? Yes, it is true that you can't give your opponent exactly the pot odds you wish to, but it doesn't mean you don't have ways to protect your hand.

Speaking of protecting your hand. Have you tried to protect your QQ hand in the early stages of an $11-33 NL SnG?

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I understand that all of the chasers are +EV for me in the long run in limit but here is my argument. NL is all about implied odds. I get get more value (2x my stack) out of QQ with far less risk in NL than in limit at the lower level SnGs. People are willing (and able) to put in larger bets with worse odds in NL, plain and simple. On a flop of 3 unders, I can be almost positive that I have the best hand (heads up on the flop) and almost every NL donk is willing to move in with top pair (or worse). In limit I get 5 callers with 3 unders and anything is possible, depending on the level I may not even be able to double my stack for this added risk. Less possible gain from way more risk.