QQ with deep stacks

[Double Eagle]

Hands from the 11r. I have been catching good cards and my image should be solid as is the Villan's. What's my line on this monotone flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t9725)
BB (t4850)
UTG (t4125)
Hero (t15935)
MP1 (t2480)
MP2 (t3750)
MP3 (t14605)
CO (t7705)
Button (t12265)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1050</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t600.

Flop: (t2250) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ?????

[billyjex]

Villian's reraise OOP could mean a strong hand (JJ-AA, AKs, AKo) that is very scared of this flop. Also, these rebuys have some funky play so I wouldn't limit his range to that. We need to bet this flop -- yeah, he could be slowplaying AA/KK w/ a club or even flopped the flush, but he could be willing to lay down AK w/ no club.

[Double Eagle]

Are you mucking to a C/R?

[billyjex]

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Are you mucking to a C/R?

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Yeah, I would. There's not much we beat except for a semibluffing AKo w/ a club, and I think it's going to be too costly to find out.

[Double Eagle]

How often would you expect to be C/R here? I've got a feeling its a large pct of the time....

[schwza]

i'd check behind. if he has a club, it's a big club, so you're not going to fold him out on the flop. here's my line depending on the turn card:

club - fold or check. plan on checking down.
non club - call bets if no club hits. if he checks blank turn, check behind and either pick off bluff on end or make small value bet.

hmmm... not sure about the value bet part, but i'll leave it in.

edit - i forgot this was a rebuy tourney. same line, but definitely bet the river.

[SossMan]

I prefer checking and hitting a red Q on the turn.

[MLG]

boo..bet 1k, mainly for information, you don't mind him folding, or raising. and calling makes you pretty close to done with the hand.

[schwza]

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boo..bet 1k, mainly for information, you don't mind him folding, or raising

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huh? are you getting all-in on this flop? cause getting c/r'ed off your hand by AxKc here stinks, and so does stacking off against KcKx.

[SossMan]

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boo..bet 1k, mainly for information, you don't mind him folding, or raising

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huh? are you getting all-in on this flop? cause getting c/r'ed off your hand by AxKc here stinks, and so does stacking off against KcKx.

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i'm pretty sure that mike meant that he's not calling a checkraise, that's why he doesn't mind it.

[Double Eagle]

I think we are getting C/R'd here more times than not, BTW.

[schwza]

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boo..bet 1k, mainly for information, you don't mind him folding, or raising

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huh? are you getting all-in on this flop? cause getting c/r'ed off your hand by AxKc here stinks, and so does stacking off against KcKx.

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i'm pretty sure that mike meant that he's not calling a checkraise, that's why he doesn't mind it.

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ok, that's what i thought. but AcKx will c/r a-i here very often, whereas if you wait till a brick turn you protect yourself from that (or get away cheap if the turn is a club).

[bruce]

Check the flop.

If a non-club comes on the turn if checked to make a pot sized bet.

I would keep the pot small on the flop. If he has AK with a club you are a dog.

Bruce

[MLG]

I think we're deep enough here to not mind getting c-raised off our hand on this flop. The problem with checking here in my mind is that it puts us in a spot to win a small pot or lose a big one no matter what the turn card is. This way I get value if im ahead get off cheap if im behind. Am I sometimes getting c-raised off the best hand, probably, but its never the best hand by much when it happens.

[Double Eagle]

Yeah I think a 1k bet is the right line. He folds his non club big ace and red JJ hands and I can fold to his C/R's in good conscience.

As it happens I took the Sossman line, checking behind and catching my red Q. He pushed, I called and he showed AsAd. Gotta love the one outers....

[SossMan]

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Yeah I think a 1k bet is the right line. He folds his non club big ace and red JJ hands and I can fold to his C/R's in good conscience.

As it happens I took the Sossman line, checking behind and catching my red Q. He pushed, I called and he showed AsAd. Gotta love the one outers....

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AcAd, right?

[Double Eagle]

He had no club either.

[SossMan]

how was it a one outer, then?

[Double Eagle]

I wouldn't count the Qc as a real out in this spot other than as a card that potentially freezes the action and allows me to get to a showdown cheaply. I certainly can't bust him with it unless I get to see the river cheaply and the board pairs.