Two pair ... paired board ... double checkraise

[Nottom]

I've played with the Villian before, and he seems like a pretty good player (after the hand he revealed himself as at least a lurker and occasional poster here)

This is a 100+9.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1265)
MP3 (t760)
CO (t1165)
Button (t975)
SB (Villian)/ (t985)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t850)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t15, SB (Villian)/ completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t57.50) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Villian checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t57.50) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Villian checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t50</font>, MP2 calls t50, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Villian raises to t150</font>, Hero calls t100, MP2 calls t100.

River: (t507.50) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Villian checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Thoughts?

[freemoney]

i am villian.

[tech]

Hey Nottom, can you fix the actions? The converter screwed it up.

[freemoney]

on the river i checkraised all in.

[Nottom]

Oops, I thought i fixed that ... yeah he checkraised all-in on the river.

[Jonathan]

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I've played with the Villian before, and he seems like a pretty good player (after the hand he revealed himself as at least a lurker and occasional poster here)

This is a 100+9.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1265)
MP3 (t760)
CO (t1165)
Button (t975)
SB (Villian)/ (t985)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t850)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t15, SB (Villian)/ completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t57.50) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Villian checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t57.50) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Villian checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t50</font>, MP2 calls t50, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Villian raises to t150</font>, Hero calls t100, MP2 calls t100.

River: (t507.50) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Villian checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Thoughts?

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1. I would lead out on the flop. Why do you check this flop?

2. On the turn, I like the bet, but Villians raise leads
to an interesting situation. With the flush and straight
draws on board, I would consider reraising here or perhaps
going allin right here.

3. On the river, I like your $200 bet and I call the push.

Tough hand. But why not lead out on the flop?

Suerte,
Jonathan

[freemoney]

bump not because im in the hand but because theres not nearly enough or any for that matter about postflop play on this forum.

[11t]

Difficult hand.

I'd suggest after being check raised like that on the turn that you check behind on the river. Perhaps I am a donk though, I just don't see your 2 pair beating many hands that villain would be willing to check the flop and turn with the intention of check-raising.

I would think the majority of the time you will get shown 45s here and sometimes deuces or treys for a boat/quads.

Anyways I think checking the flop is fine to figure out how the other players are going to act and betting out the turn is smart as well. I'd call the check-raise from a player who I thought was awful but from a solid opponent who doesn't c/r with air into a multi-way pot I might just puke in my mouth and muck my cards. That could be the old hindsight is 20/20 thing though or my weak-tightness coming into play.

Anyways, calling the c/r isn't that awful but I really think you have to check behind on the river and if you bets you should just muck your hand when he check raises all in.

[AKQJ10]

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1. I would lead out on the flop. Why do you check this flop?

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Agreed. I can only surmise he was worried about the kicker, but in a limped pot Hero's probably best.

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2. On the turn, I like the bet, but Villians raise leads
to an interesting situation. With the flush and straight
draws on board, I would consider reraising here or perhaps
going allin right here.

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I like the push reraise. Villain could be slowplaying a wheel or set, but it's pretty unlikely. Chances are very good you're getting chips in with the best hand.

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3. On the river, I like your $200 bet and I call the push.

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I like the half-pot bet. Not sure about calling the push. You're getting about 2:1, but the SB could well have a trey. That would make his turn raise a gutsy semibluff, unless he made eights up, now treys full. That's tough though.

Is it consensus to call the push? If so, what probabilities would we assign for Villain's possible hands: "total bluff", "trips or better", etc.?

[Nottom]

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Difficult hand.

I'd suggest after being check raised like that on the turn that you check behind on the river. Perhaps I am a donk though, I just don't see your 2 pair beating many hands that villain would be willing to check the flop and turn with the intention of check-raising.


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When he checked the river, I actually put him on A2.

Very few players try and checkraise the river with big hands becasue 90% of players will just check behind here.

[djj6835]

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1. I would lead out on the flop. Why do you check this flop?


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I would check here for a couple reasons. I don't think a bet is going to get much action here unless you are beat. I really don't like building pots out of position with a marginal hand like this. I also like checking here because I can keep the pot small and still get paid off by a second best hand on the turn or the river. Someone with a medium pocket pair or a hand like KQ that pairs up on the turn or river will bet into you on later streets. I'm not sure if this is the reason that the OP checked this hand, but I would have done the same thing for these reasons.