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joao_,martins
06-28-2005, 01:20 AM
I had stated earlier in a post that I made a bogus play and was pretty much pot-stuck with K /images/graemlins/club.gif- 10 /images/graemlins/club.gif.
I had a range of hands that I put my opponent on based on his re-raise all-in of his decent sized stack... that being AA-99 pocket pair, and A-K/Q ( I think I originally said J, but I changed my mind and didnt include it in my math ).
So I did the basic math for this based on cardplayer.com figures and I came up with this. Tell me if I did this right, as I am a novice wanting to learn...
A-A: 17.9 * 6= 107.4
K-K: 17.3 * 3= 51.9
Q-Q: 32.5 * 6= 195
J-J: 32.3 * 6= 193.8
10-10: 35.9* 3= 107.7
9-9: 47.3 * 6= 283.8
A-K: 29.9 * 12= 358.8
A-Q: 38.5 * 16= 616
107.4+ 51.9+ 195+ 193.8+ 107.7+ 283.8+ 358.8+ 616= 1914.4/ 58= ~33 percent
So I would lose 67 and win 33... 67-33 or a 2-1 dog.
Did I miss something here, because that is hard to believe... but if I did do it right I have been shocked to see the power of hand combination differential between pocket pairs and unmatched cards.

SossMan
06-28-2005, 02:00 AM
www.pokerstove.com (http://www.pokerstove.com)

LLKOOLK1
06-28-2005, 02:44 AM
I have 33.406% and I included AK and AQ off suit and suited...
-LL

ethan
06-28-2005, 04:25 AM
Against this range, 36% > 88 > KTs = AJs > KQs > ATs > 32%. JJ gets you about 50%, as does {AKo, AKs}.

Pokerstove's good.

edit - and yes, pocket pairs are strong here. The reason your KTs does so poorly is that nearly every hand in that range crushes it - all but AQ and 99. 88 does a little better because it's 50%+ vs the Ax hands, but it's still not great because of how far it's going to be vs the higher pairs.

Slightly larger pairs do much better in these situations. If you're holding TT, you need his range to be something like AA-JJ, AKs in order for you not to have odds to call (you'd have 24% equity). Even if he's only pushing AA-JJ, AKs, AKo you're only a 2-1 dog.